25NL whats the best plan on this turn?

[anthb7210p]

Versus an unknown out of position?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com (http://www.leggopoker.com) - Hand History Converter (http://www.leggopoker.com/hh)

MP: $27.35
CO: $24.50
BTN: $39.45
SB: $15.10
Hero (BB): $26.30
UTG: $35.60

Pre-Flop: A/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $1.50</font>, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.10) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)

[payoff wizard]

Interesting hand. I think I go into pot control on the turn and check/call. If villain bets turn, i check/call river unless i hit another jack. If villain checks turn behind, I lead river for ~pot, and pray villain doesn't shove. If villain shoves, I think I fold.

[Berky]

3bet pf against button raiser. I really hate playing this hand OOP.

as played. Check call turn. Like payoff said if he checks turn I lead river for 3/4 pot to pot.

[payoff wizard]

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3bet pf against button raiser. I really hate playing this hand OOP.

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I agree, but know plenty of good players that like calling.

[anthb7210p]

why is c/c superior to b/c, b/f, or c/r? If we check and villan checks behind, and then heart, T, or Q hits on river, are you still leading?

[z28dreams]

Could someone please explain why we aren't betting this turn for value?

I lead this turn every time.

[payoff wizard]

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why is c/c superior to b/c, b/f, or c/r?

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IMHO, c/c on turn is preferable to b/c, b/f and c/r, because we don't particularly want to fold our 2 pair, and, as villain's range includes all the hands that crush us already (AA, KK, 66, JJ, Q10), we shouldn't be looking to get AI unless we fill up with a J. Therefore, c/c is the best line because it is the most likely to get us to showdown without going AI.

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If we check and villan checks behind, and then heart, T, or Q hits on river, are you still leading?

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I probably lead river for less (`1/2 pot), call a min raise, and fold to a shove.

[gfejs]

I think you have too bet this turn too protect your hand, and I would be shoving any three bet. So many ugly river cards. And u will be called by many weaker aces draws.

[bingrich]

Lead turn for value/protection. Your hand is strong but vulnerable w/ draw heavy board.

[payoff wizard]

I think the idea that we should be 'protecting' our hand is a strange one to have when we could so easily be behind.

[Supwithbates]

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I think the idea that we should be 'protecting' our hand is a strange one to have when we could so easily be behind.

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weak tight imo

[Lego05]

Usually 3bet or fold pre-flop.

Check raise turn probably. I'm in this position rarely.

[mocky]

Reraise that blind stealer p/f bet out flop if called.

[gfejs]

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I think the idea that we should be 'protecting' our hand is a strange one to have when we could so easily be behind.

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I really dont understand this /images/graemlins/smile.gif. How can we easily be behind here? We have like 0 information on what hand the villian have, Button raiser who CB after we checked.... He could litterly have anything here and in this spot I think we are ahead of alot, hence I want alot of money in when I still think im ahead.

[iheartponeez]

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Usually 3bet or fold pre-flop.

Check raise turn probably. I'm in this position rarely.

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Does this mean call a shove?

[Michaelson]

I love our hand on the turn, particularly against a button stealer. Whatever line we take should be with a view to getting as much money in as possible. Sure, we could lose to a set, straight or AK, but there's a lot more that we can get value against.

Against an unknown I lead turn for close to pot looking to charge aces, pair+straight draws, and flush draws. Lots of rivers can change our plans, but if it's safe I bet as much as I think will get called.

[iheartponeez]

Hands that beat you: QT, AK, sets.

I start rolling on the turn.

[iheartponeez]

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Interesting hand. I think I go into pot control on the turn and check/call. If villain bets turn, i check/call river unless i hit another jack. If villain checks turn behind, I lead river for ~pot, and pray villain doesn't shove. If villain shoves, I think I fold.

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When people post, "If you raise, everyone thinks you have AK," they don't mean you SHOULD think anyone who raises has AK.

[traz]

I don't mind the call preflop sometimes. I cr the flop almost always, but I do it with air too. I either bet/call or cr/call the turn, depending on how aggro the guy is.

In any case you have to assume you're ahead and play for value. Anything else is bad

[Lego05]

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Usually 3bet or fold pre-flop.

Check raise turn probably. I'm in this position rarely.

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Does this mean call a shove?

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Yes....I would call a shove.

[inverted]

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Versus an unknown out of position?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com (http://www.leggopoker.com) - Hand History Converter (http://www.leggopoker.com/hh)

MP: $27.35
CO: $24.50
BTN: $39.45
SB: $15.10
Hero (BB): $26.30
UTG: $35.60

Pre-Flop: A/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1</font>, SB folds, Hero raises $3.50, BTN calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.10) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
Hero bets $4

Turn: ($5.10) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)

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Whats the plan if villain raises flop or calls?

Personally if he raises Im callinn then leading turn folding to another raise/bet on the river.

I'm not sure exactly what I would do if he just calls, I can't see not betting again. But I'm not sure about what to do if he raises, I think I would push.