Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?

[Briman51]

Playing $.12/$.25 NL 6 max on pacific poker. I've been quite aggressive so far and have played with villain in a couple of sessions in the past few days, my 99 out ran his AA just before this hand on a different table.

Villain is a tight player (for a six max table). He's 35/10/2.6.

Seat 1: BB (Villain) ( $30.14 )
Seat 2: UTG ( $24.06 )
Seat 3: UTG+1 ( $11.58 )
Seat 4: <font color="red"> Hero </font> ( $20.97 )
Seat 5: Button ( $23.69 )
Seat 8: SB ( $14.83 )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to <font color="red"> Hero </font> [ T /images/graemlins/spade.gif 7 /images/graemlins/club.gif ]
UTG folds.
UTG+1 folds.
<font color="red"> Hero </font> raises [$0.9].
Button calls [$0.9].
SB calls [$0.78].
Villain calls [$0.65].
** Dealing Flop ($3.50) ** [ 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif ]
SB checks.
Villain bets [$5].
<font color="red"> Hero </font> ???

Apart from the obvious advice of "fold preflop". What's my play here?

[wingchunflush]

Lead the flop, you raised preflop looking to hit your hand and you did. If you had AK here you would still lead so why play it different now?

[thoman8r]

Fold pre-flop. Fold flop. None of your outs are clean. In fact you could be drawing dead already and you still have 2 people left to act.

[thoman8r]

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Lead the flop, you raised preflop looking to hit your hand and you did. If you had AK here you would still lead so why play it different now?

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He can't lead the flop.

[mickeyzee]

Fold. Too many people in this pot. Your straight draw and spade have very little value here.

[buttonpusher]

It's not much of a combo draw. You said villain is tight and I think his bet represents a high spade at least, meaning your spade draw is likely useless. That leaves just 6 outs instead of 8 to hit the straight. I'd fold now as well as preflop.

[Briman51]

The post may not be clear so just to confirm - the BB (villain) led the flop.

[AZplaya]

fold flop, your draw looks alot prettier than it is.

[infinity235]

I fold here... your combo draw is no good. Your flush outs are easily not worth anything because any of the other 3 people could have a higher spade than you (even though it's unlikely villain has it because this line looks like someone trying to defend top pair or 2p) or already a made flush (which destroys your straight outs)...

With bad relative position and 2 people yet to act behind you, a huge overbet a monotone board with the 5th nut flush draw and a straight draw (whose outs need to be discounted a lot), this is an EASY fold. Not even close.

[Briman51]

Cheers guys that was a fairly quick unanimous response.

What actually happened was that I pushed thinking he had alot of fold equity. I figured him for a solid made hand such as two pair of possibly a set. What do you think his range is here?

[infinity235]

Any two /images/graemlins/spade.gif/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Any A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 99, 88, 33, 98s, JJ/images/graemlins/spade.gif+... once he calls it's pretty much down to this range.

[wingchunflush]

whoops i cant read apparently

[matrix]

35/10/2.6 is sLAG and definitely not tight.


reload preflop.
fold preflop.

then fold on the flop as well. Overbets on teh flop like this from sLAGgy opponents are either air or more often a draw or a weak made hand. If we say 10% this is air - 20% weak hand like MP w/ no spade and 70% draw then most of the time his draw &gt; our draw AND we'd need to hit to win.

If we had 7Tss here for the proper OESFD I like a push tho even then it's thin as villain here frequently has a higher spade than the T so when he calls the push we are drawing in this case at maybe 3-6 clean outs. How profitable pushing is here depends on how often he folds. We'd be risking 20 to win 8 are only winning as few as 20% when called so he needs to fold a LOT to be +EV I think.

[thoman8r]

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Cheers guys that was a fairly quick unanimous response.

What actually happened was that I pushed thinking he had alot of fold equity. I figured him for a solid made hand such as two pair of possibly a set. What do you think his range is here?

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Your OP says you had been playing aggressively and your opponent had been playing tight. Given that info, I'd say you have 0 fold equity here. Remember to always be aware of what your image is to the other players.

EDIT: Actually 35/10 is not tight at all. Dunno why you'd think that? This is still an easy fold though.

[AZplaya]

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What actually happened was that I pushed thinking he had alot of fold equity. I figured him for a solid made hand such as two pair of possibly a set. What do you think his range is here?

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I think his range is a big spade/fd+sd, or a vulerable made hand(TPTK, set or 2 pair.) Highly unlikely he overbets the pot with a flopped flush. Also, you have the fe if you shoved, not him. Lastly, if you put him on a big hand, you don't have fe and pushing is terrible.

[Briman51]

Yeah, its from a sample of about 300 hands. I just remembered being at the table thinking that he was a tight player, the when posting I went to get the data from my poker tracker and it turned out that I'd been not v.accurate. Cheers for the advice guys - I usually fold this situation just having an off night.

He called and flipped over 88 for a set, the turn paired the nine.

I reloaded for the next hand.