Ace8 sooted attempt steal. Need help on turn and river.

[icheckcallu]

agro villain 30/23 over small sample size.

raising river here is very bad right?


BB: $35.76
UTG: $28.36
Hero (CO): $27.62
BTN: $27.15
SB: $69.27

Pre-Flop: A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.20</font>, BB calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2.50</font>, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($9.50) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6

[infinity235]

Why is raising the river bad here? Only hand that beat you are FHs, which I don't think are in his range... I shove. No one believes your backdoor flush anyways.

[Gesangsverein]

I either shove or minraise/call shove on this river

[toddxlogan]

Villain took the initiative on the turn, which means he "had" his hand here. His range here is huge - tons of 2pairs whether they are from weak aces or sc type hands, straight, straight draws, flush draws, blah blah blah. Enormous.

River lead narrows it down a bit, but still leaves open a straight, 2pr (AT), and a flush. Further, i think a straight calls a raise very often here (it backdoored), AT probably calls here if the player has a highish WTSD, and flushes are definitely calling as well.

Valueshove FTW. Its right about a pot sized raise (21ish) in the middle after your call, it looks kinda bluffy, and theres a lot of hands that call here. Stop nitting!

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Todd

[icheckcallu]

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Villain took the initiative on the turn, which means he "had" his hand here. His range here is huge - tons of 2pairs whether they are from weak aces or sc type hands, straight, straight draws, flush draws, blah blah blah. Enormous.

River lead narrows it down a bit, but still leaves open a straight, 2pr (AT), and a flush. Further, i think a straight calls a raise very often here (it backdoored), AT probably calls here if the player has a highish WTSD, and flushes are definitely calling as well.

Valueshove FTW. Its right about a pot sized raise (21ish) in the middle after your call, it looks kinda bluffy, and theres a lot of hands that call here. Stop nitting!

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Todd

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really... his sd is about 10%. He prolly took the initiative because he prolly paired his 9x on the turn? I was ready to muck it until I saw that I runner runnered a flush. I still didnt feel good calling that 6 dollar bet. Maybe I am a nit.

[toddxlogan]

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Villain took the initiative on the turn, which means he "had" his hand here. His range here is huge - tons of 2pairs whether they are from weak aces or sc type hands, straight, straight draws, flush draws, blah blah blah. Enormous.

River lead narrows it down a bit, but still leaves open a straight, 2pr (AT), and a flush. Further, i think a straight calls a raise very often here (it backdoored), AT probably calls here if the player has a highish WTSD, and flushes are definitely calling as well.

Valueshove FTW. Its right about a pot sized raise (21ish) in the middle after your call, it looks kinda bluffy, and theres a lot of hands that call here. Stop nitting!

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Todd

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really... his sd is about 10%. He prolly took the initiative because he prolly paired his 9x on the turn? I was ready to muck it until I saw that I runner runnered a flush. I still didnt feel good calling that 6 dollar bet. Maybe I am a nit.

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WTSD is 10? Over what sample? Thats an absurd number.