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Snafu'd
11-19-2007, 11:16 PM
This one may be simple. No reads on the guy so I'm not sure if he's lost money or bought in short.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com (http://www.leggopoker.com) - Hand History Converter (http://www.leggopoker.com/hh)

BTN: $55.85
Hero (SB): $84.65
BB: $20.50
UTG: $58.65

Pre-Flop: A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.75</font>, BB calls $5.25, BTN folds

Flop: ($13.25) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="blue"> Hero... </font>

vixticator
11-19-2007, 11:25 PM
Meh, I just shove readless. Possible spew. With something resembling a read I would consider c/c or c/f.

0uTpLaYeD
11-19-2007, 11:27 PM
pretty gay spot overall but I just open shove usually

DLKeeper1
11-19-2007, 11:31 PM
cbet plz

Snafu'd
11-19-2007, 11:34 PM
If you are shoving, you realize that there isn't a single pocket pair that he folds right?

mickeyzee
11-19-2007, 11:38 PM
I think I like c/f. It's pretty rare that you are getting bluffed off the best hand here, maybe a split at best.
Shoving isn't going to get anything better than AK high to fold right now.
I think c/f &gt; c/c &gt; shoving

shooot@04
11-19-2007, 11:39 PM
nasty spot, I dont like shoving because it seems really spewy but cbeting is almost 100% push, I guess shoving would be best here

Snafu'd
11-19-2007, 11:45 PM
C-bettors - why?

vixticator
11-19-2007, 11:47 PM
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If you are shoving, you realize that there isn't a single pocket pair that he folds right?

[/ QUOTE ]Do you think average 50nl opponent will shove if checked to in this spot? With ATC he called with PF? Like AQ, KQ, AJ, JT, etc. This is a pretty bad overcall unless he has Aces. If he's calling all pairs I think he also calls any type of suited broadway, AK, AQ, maybe even speculative hands like suited connectors? The only "reasonable" range, i.e. he isn't totally awful, would be QQ+. Maybe you get a free card? I think checking AA in this spot is fine as well if you had that...

Snafu'd
11-20-2007, 12:00 AM
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If you are shoving, you realize that there isn't a single pocket pair that he folds right?

[/ QUOTE ]Do you think average 50nl opponent will shove if checked to in this spot? With ATC he called with PF? Like AQ, KQ, AJ, JT, etc. This is a pretty bad overcall unless he has Aces. If he's calling all pairs I think he also calls any type of suited broadway, AK, AQ, maybe even speculative hands like suited connectors? The only "reasonable" range, i.e. he isn't totally awful, would be QQ+. Maybe you get a free card? I think checking AA in this spot is fine as well if you had that...

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The point I'm trying to make is that if you are committed to get stacks in at this point, check calling is the better option b/c it allows him to bluff a worse hand. The reason I say this is b/c I can't think of a single hand that beats us that folds to a flop bet. He obviously may go ahead and call off with something like AQ if we shove, but there is a slight chance he will fold it. FWIW, I check folded the flop, but the more I thought about it the more I convinced myself that check calling would have been a decent option as well.

mickeyzee
11-20-2007, 12:02 AM
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Do you think average 50nl opponent will shove if checked to in this spot? With ATC he called with PF? Like AQ, KQ, AJ, JT, etc. This is a pretty bad overcall unless he has Aces. If he's calling all pairs I think he also calls any type of suited broadway, AK, AQ, maybe even speculative hands like suited connectors? The only "reasonable" range, i.e. he isn't totally awful, would be QQ+. Maybe you get a free card? I think checking AA in this spot is fine as well if you had that...

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I think a lot of 50NL would push in this spot if checked to because they assume you missed so they get excited "oh, he missed! pot!" I think they push more often than call pushes with speculative hands. But I think AJ is the weakest hand in his range that he calls a push with and that's being optimistic.