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DenniBoy
11-19-2007, 12:12 PM
Villain is 31/23/3 of 300 hands, no other reads. I play at this table for 2 orbits, not getting any playable hand before this one.

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BB ($95.26)
UTG ($50)
Hero ($49)
CO ($53.97)
Button ($39.62)
SB ($35.54)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $6.50, UTG folds.

Flop: ($16.25) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($16.25) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $11</font>, Hero ???

I think between calling/pushing here. With nut flush draw and two overcards on FLOP I definitly push (with ~50% hitting flush or overcard), but on TURN I am getting near ~33%. What do you do here, guys?

Nemesis69
11-19-2007, 12:17 PM
I shove. I think BB just wants to buy the pot here. He will fold more often than not.

Malifous
11-19-2007, 12:22 PM
I fold it because i dont think you have enough equity.

creamfillin
11-19-2007, 12:25 PM
The hell aren't we betting this flop?

vieira10
11-19-2007, 12:30 PM
I think i fold this. Your assuming your overcards are clean outs. I dont think this is true all the time. I think you need a little more money in the pot to make this a shove. He cold-called a 3bet out of position, how often is he bluffing here?

Milky
11-19-2007, 12:32 PM
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The hell aren't we betting this flop?

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BoJackson
11-19-2007, 02:07 PM
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The hell aren't we betting this flop?

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Very true...you lost the advantage that position gave you in seeing where you are at in this hand. Much easier to get away from this hand on the flop if he re-pops your cbet.

As played though, I think I either shove or fold. I don't see cold calling as a correct play here.

Somnius
11-19-2007, 02:20 PM
27.25/11 = 2.5:1 = 28%

9 outs (flush) + lets say your overcards are only good 2 thirds of the time 4 outs (overcards) = 13 outs = 25%ish chance of hitting on river...

Pot odds alone basically warrant a call...implied odds....

Not only could you call, but if you pushed here, he'd only have to fold like 3-5% of the time to make it profitable with your outs...if he calls only with a set, then it's a diff story, but if he'd call the push with KQ, even AK, would still leave you with 12 outs in either situation...

I'd generally call this, but depending on player and what he's doing, I'd sometimes push...calling also has the adv of putting you in position on the river against a potential turn bluffer...

kylephilly
11-19-2007, 02:22 PM
I don't think this guy is folding to a push.
As played I call and then check/fold river if I miss.