Wierd donk-bet spot

[iheartponeez]

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$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$44.70</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$64.80</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$51.25</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$77.35</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$48.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BTN T/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif
<font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1.5

Flop: 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif ($4.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $4</font>

So what do I do here? He's pricing himself out of draws and is OOP, so part of me wants to just let him keep firing, but there are straight draws, flush draws, and he might be drawing to trips/his own 2p. So I lean towards a strong raise here. Advice?

[Profish2285]

Against an unknown I am raising here to about 14 and probably folding to a shove. Im not convinced that villain is shoving with a queen here. When I make this raise I am expecting him to call and c/c a turn bet very often. You have to raise to that size though as you are trying to charge him alot if he is doing this with a draw.

[icheckcallu]

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Against an unknown I am raising here to about 14 and probably folding to a shove. Im not convinced that villain is shoving with a queen here. When I make this raise I am expecting him to call and c/c a turn bet very often. You have to raise to that size though as you are trying to charge him alot if he is doing this with a draw.

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villain shoves AQ here often. I dont know how to play this type of hand so I bump it to 12.

[Profish2285]

I doubt most villains shove AQ here, but some do. Seeing as how villain is unknown, I will go with how the majority plays when they take this line. Many times I see this situation they go into c/c mode once you raise them if they have a queen. I think if villain shoves youre looking at a set, top two, or a combo draw.

[justhetip]

he generally has top pair/ or pair + draw here, I'm thinking. It's unlikely he has a set, obviously... both statistically and the way he has played it. JJ and 99 and KK are all hands that he will shove (and sometimes rightly) over your two pair.
So yeah exactly what profish said, raise and call a shove.

[Profish2285]

I said to raise and fold to a shove, not call a shove.

[corsakh]

Raise/fold is a megaspew. Q is not even a diamond. I make it 16, snap call a shove.

[Profish2285]

How is that mega spew? We are putting in less than 1/3 of our stack here and I dont think the average unknown is hyper aggro with top pair.

[corsakh]

18 of 48 is almost 40% if I am correct. You have outs if your wrong. Sets are unlikely given we have bottom two. If he has QQ he also has AA and KK here. In fact, pot on a drawy board often is an overpair. Combodraws are in bad shape. Q is not a diamond meaning he can esaily have QdXd here and it fits perfectly. The only hands I am worried about are QT and J9, but so what /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Lego05]

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Raise/fold is a megaspew. I make it 16, snap call a shove.

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Completely agree.

[creamfillin]

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How is that mega spew? We are putting in less than 1/3 of our stack here and I dont think the average unknown is hyper aggro with top pair.

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I assume villain is repopping QQ PF so I'll rule that out. 88 &amp; TT are unlikely so I'll rule those holdings out too. I'm worried about maybe QT or a flopped straight. Too many draws/pair + FD/SD combos he can have here to let this go. I think the donk/shove line usually means a monster in multiway pots but HU it's a different story. If this was a 3W pot MAYBE i could get away, but just because he donk/shoves we shouldn't assume OMG MONSTER and fold everything except sets/top two pair.