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patoof
11-10-2007, 02:32 PM
How do you play this hand ?
Vilain is unknow.

I never know what to do when i raise preflop, i flop a flush draw, and the vilain donk a tiny bet, i don't know if i should raise to try to take the pot right and risk a reraise, or take the odds for my draw and maybe stack him if i hit and if he flop a monster.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker (http://www.leggopoker.com)Hand History Converter (http://www.leggopoker.com/hh)

CO: $44.50
Hero (BTN): $28.40
SB: $24.05
BB: $7.80
UTG: $23.45

Pre-Flop: K/images/graemlins/spade.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $1

Flop: ($2.85) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $0.50</font>, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($3.85) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.75

River: ($5.35) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Results: $5.35 Pot ($0.25 Rake)

jkkkk
11-10-2007, 02:40 PM
raise the flop, you almost never have &lt;36% equity and its very hard for him to continue profitably with a wide range of hands so you gain a lot of fold equity right there.

it also adds deception to your game, its a lot harder for him to put you on a flushdraw if you play your hand fast.

CubicZirconia
11-10-2007, 02:43 PM
I'd raise this. You also have an overcard and a backdoor straight draw. He could easily be betting into you just hoping to pick up this raised pot.

subs
11-10-2007, 02:58 PM
im raising the flop and if he calls putting out a massive bet on the turn when you hit an open ender to go with your flush draw

iRunBad123
11-10-2007, 03:01 PM
raise the flop and bet the turn and then go all in on the river if u hit or miss

patoof
11-10-2007, 03:02 PM
ok, now if i raise the flop and he call, and if the turn is a blank( unlike this hand) , say the 4d, and he check, should i fire again or check behind ?

kroeliewoelie
11-10-2007, 03:04 PM
If you are not reraising him on the flop it is less likely that he stacks off when you suddenly come alive when another spade comes. So raise for fold equity, image (no donking on your watch), and to disguise your hand. Calling here is very weak tight.

iRunBad123
11-10-2007, 03:04 PM
i would most likely check but it is very player dependent

jkkkk
11-10-2007, 03:35 PM
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ok, now if i raise the flop and he call, and if the turn is a blank( unlike this hand) , say the 4d, and he check, should i fire again or check behind ?

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check, without a read its best to assume you haven't got enough fold equity to fire this turn, your equity also shrinks quite a lot after he calls your flop bet and the turn blanks.

Parvex
11-10-2007, 03:43 PM
I woudl raise this flop with every hand I would c-bet if checked to. KsTs is definately in that range, although I wouldf sometimes check behind (preferably with a read that he is going to pay me off when I hit). Against unknown I assume he has mostly trash and raise.

I check the river behind, if he has really nothing, we win and our line does not look strong at all, so i doubt he will fold much hands we beat.

/edit: I also agree with checking a blank turn behind.

WhiteWolf
11-10-2007, 04:01 PM
Unknowns who put out weak donks usually (but not always) will fold when raised, so raising this flop (to about 3.0 - 3.5) is your best line. Take notes on how he reacts to your raise and use that info later in the session.

On the turn as played, raise. Make him think you slowplayed AA-JJ.

On the river, as played, bet a good sized amount. That's the perfect card the way you played the hand: Your AK or whatever just hit, and his mid pair is no good.

EMc
11-10-2007, 04:35 PM
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raise the flop, you almost never have &lt;36% equity and its very hard for him to continue profitably with a wide range of hands so you gain a lot of fold equity right there.

it also adds deception to your game, its a lot harder for him to put you on a flushdraw if you play your hand fast.

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You are really one of my favorite HSNL posters cause you come here to post. Thanks.

jkkkk
11-11-2007, 12:22 AM
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