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SkeetyMcdoogle
10-27-2007, 10:33 AM
I was lost on the turn here, wasn't sure whether to call the turn donk and hope the draws didnt hit or should I raise and try to protect. Pretty sure my raise was too small anyway, but whatever.

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UTG ($31.70)
MP ($138.70)
Hero ($49.25)
Button ($6.75)
SB ($38.35)
BB ($65.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.50) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($10.50) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $9</font>, SB calls $6.

River: ($28.50) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

Final Pot: $36.50

River is an obvious call because of odds and all the missed draws, but what do you guys do on turn?

Get used to these threads, I only 4 table now so I actually have to think about what Im doing ;]
Profish2285
10-27-2007, 10:54 AM
Fold turn. What are you raising to protect with, 3rd pair? Until you get a read that weak donks on the turn indicate a weak hand, I dont like this at all. Im not sure why you think villain cant have a top pair hand here.
STARSCREAM.
10-27-2007, 11:12 AM
Fold turn without a very good read.
Daniel LeClaire
10-27-2007, 01:11 PM
Realize if you raise the turn it is a bluff. Unless you have an amazing read on villain.

I would fold the turn. He probably has a weak J or T and, even if you raise him, he's not going to fold. Occasionally you will see a draw here, but even that hand isn't far behind, so I fold.
whyherro
10-27-2007, 01:24 PM
jam river, he wont call.
TheRenaissance
10-27-2007, 01:34 PM
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jam river, he wont call.

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i always do that then they think and think and think and eventually call with T7
andys0506
10-27-2007, 01:34 PM
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jam river, he wont call.

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Are you serious? He has around $22 left into a $36 pot.
Looks like a typical calling station to me.

As played I fold the turn. If you're going to raise I make it about $13/14
andys0506
10-27-2007, 01:36 PM
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jam river, he wont call.

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i always do that then they think and think and think and eventually call with T7

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Yes my thoughts exactly
Chomp
10-27-2007, 01:49 PM
Reads on villain would help.

I go $3.25 at least on flop.

Surprised people want to fold turn getting 4/1. Even if we give villain a 15 outer and go with our read that he is drawing, we're gonna be good 60%+ of the time (erm, I think - my maths are hopeless). I'd rather just go with those numbers and flat the turn.

We also need to consider when our read is wrong and he has TP+ (which will be some of the time), betting then isn't often going to fold him out.

I also think this is a small pot hand once we reach the turn. I'd rather let villain draw than bloat up the pot whilst never really being sure what's going on.
derosnec
10-27-2007, 01:58 PM
river is not an obvious call. dont get hung up on pot odds. he has a T or weak J almost always. as for shoving, you'll get looked up a lot here because he'll put u on a fd or ak or whatever, ime.
tarheeljks
10-27-2007, 02:05 PM
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river is not an obvious call. dont get hung up on pot odds. he has a T or weak J almost always. as for shoving, you'll get looked up a lot here because he'll put u on a fd or ak or whatever, ime.

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we should definitely call this river. the info will go along way towards letting us take him to value town him later
derosnec
10-27-2007, 02:17 PM
you dont need to call for info. pretty obvious what he has.
Chomp
10-27-2007, 02:38 PM
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you dont need to call for info. pretty obvious what he has.

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I don't think so at all...this could be a busted draw, a J, or a T. Maybe even some other stuff.
ICMoney
10-27-2007, 03:23 PM
This is never a busted draw unless it's 98.

Jam or fold.
Calling sucks.



(I &lt;3 4-tabling too)
SkeetyMcdoogle
10-27-2007, 08:05 PM
Surprised people hate the turn raise. Assuming that his turn donk is a scared hand like Tx that he will probably fold or a drawing hand like QK, raising seems to fold out hands that beat us and charge the hands that are drawing.

My logic may be skewed to hell though cus I just lost 12 buyins.