50nl, I has a set! sigh i suck?

[ShipitFMA]

I'd like comments on both the flop and turn please

BB is 43 / 25 / 1.4 (58 hands)
No reads on the CO

I RARELY check behind this flop, but vs a spastic and a seemingly average player i figured it couldn't hurt on a VERY dry flop.

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BB: $46.07
Hero (UTG): $65.86
CO: $41.69
BTN: $49.25
SB: $53.77

Pre-Flop: 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($6.25) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO calls $14, BB calls $9.50

River: ($48.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero???????????

[Bluegrassplayer]

I don't see the problem? Bet? Bet big? Bet really big?

[Profish2285]

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[Bluegrassplayer]

Oh I missed that the flop was checked, thought that the only way the flush would have come is if someone called on a runner draw.

Hmmmm that makes it more difficult. I think I still bet though.

[ShipitFMA]

Define a reasonable bet, i wanted to block bet around 16 with the intention to call a shove by either

okay, obv not a blocking bet...but i figure if we're calling a decent sized bet we may aswell try get value from 2 pairs and such

[monkover]

bet the flop all day long!!
as played valuebet the river big time.
checking behind b/c a bdfd hit is really bad b/c it´s only a tiny fraction of his range...

[Bluegrassplayer]

I'd bet $24 here. I hate the flop check by the way.

[thac]

Don't check flop, they're gonna call. As played, turn is fine. CO can have KQ, KTs or KJ. BB can have any of those as well as 77 or maybe like QT or diamonds. Once BB checks, I don't think CO has a draw because of his cold-call. I don't mind a shove at all.

[thac]

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I'd bet $24 here. I hate the flop check by the way.

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There's only $30 effective left. If they call $24 they're probably calling $30 right?

[ShipitFMA]

I don't see why the flop chekc is that bad, no turn cards really hurt us:

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com)Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

BB: $46.07
Hero (UTG): $65.86
CO: $41.69
BTN: $49.25
SB: $53.77

Pre-Flop: 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($6.25) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14</font>, CO calls $14, BB calls $9.50

River: ($48.25) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $25.69 and is All-In</font>, BB calls $25.69, Hero calls $9.69

Results: $125.32 Pot ($2 Rake)
BB mucked K/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$41.69 NET)
Hero showed 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (three of a kind, Fives) and WON $123.32 (+$81.63 NET)
CO mucked 3/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$41.69 NET)

[thac]

Blah just shove you girl /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ShipitFMA]

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Blah just shove you girl /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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coach me babe /images/graemlins/heart.gif

[Bluegrassplayer]

Yep I didn't calculate the stacks right. Shove is definitely best now.

[Bluegrassplayer]

Wow what a bunch of donkeys. I just generally don't like to slowplay a hand that I am willing to stack off with.

[ShipitFMA]

That may be a leak?? ^^^^^^^

Generally neither do I. But versus these guys I figured it to be the perfect spot

[Bluegrassplayer]

Well after seeing what they just stacked off with I agree.

[monkover]

move this to bbv

[ShipitFMA]

f u

[Bluegrassplayer]

Just curious: any reason why you are playing so short handed?

[ShipitFMA]

5 handed? um....because it was 6 handed and a guy left?

[Bluegrassplayer]

Not exactly the answer I was looking for. Is there any reason you prefer that over full ring?

[ShipitFMA]

umm, full ring will leave my with scars (along my wrists) because its that fuggin boring

[Bluegrassplayer]

Thank you. So there are more fish in the 6 max tables? The tables I have seen so far at full ring are very, very, very tight and everyone is trying to play super tricky with their suck bets and min raises. It's more aggressive at 6 max?

[thac]

Yeah, it's more aggressive because the blinds come around 50% faster. You don't have time to sit around and wait for big hands (whoever cracks about my PT screen from earlier, [censored] off), you have to force things and be a bit looser. When people start playing more hands, they make more mistakes.

[Bluegrassplayer]

Awesome thanks for the info. So far I've only done full ring, and 90% of the big pots are a big hand vs a bigger hand. No one 3 bets, and when they do it's with a min raise so they're hand is basically played face up. I will have to give 6 max a shot.

[Virge]

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Awesome thanks for the info. So far I've only done full ring, and 90% of the big pots are a big hand vs a bigger hand. No one 3 bets, and when they do it's with a min raise so they're hand is basically played face up. I will have to give 6 max a shot.

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you'll love it if you're like to play poker instead of set mine. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Bluegrassplayer]

I just get so frustrated at the full ring. I call when someone min raises no matter what I have pretty much. I mean they've just given their hand away and I automatically get implied odds. The full ring tables at 25NL are 90% playing your cards, not the person.

[Sniiii]

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Thank you. So there are more fish in the 6 max tables? The tables I have seen so far at full ring are very, very, very tight and everyone is trying to play super tricky with their suck bets and min raises. It's more aggressive at 6 max?

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Fullring sucks.

[argy1182]

Two active players...make that bet that looks like your standard Cbet and hope to catch a raise. Bet 3/4 on the turn. Free cards = bad.

[mrdewhicky]

i want party back NOW

[Snozynoze]

Why did we slow down after raising preflop?

If these guys are the donks you say, are they really going to fold on the flop?

[DickieBets]

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Yep I didn't calculate the stacks right. Shove is definitely best now.

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I admit. I'm missing something. Is the shove advised here because we're thinking that they don't have a flush draw after cold calling the turn like that ?

I'm so used to people chasing draws at micro stakes - that I always fear flushes especially with two other players in.

[ShipitFMA]

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Yep I didn't calculate the stacks right. Shove is definitely best now.

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I admit. I'm missing something. Is the shove advised here because we're thinking that they don't have a flush draw after cold calling the turn like that ?

I'm so used to people chasing draws at micro stakes - that I always fear flushes especially with two other players in.

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Basically, if we decide we're calling a river bet when alot of the time its better the shove because worse hands won't generally bet the river, but worse hands will certainly call a river bet.

So by shoving, or betting close to a shove we're getting worse hands to call, depsite getting called by better hands a portion of the time. Which in the long run will add up as we were already going to be paying off better hands

[DickieBets]

OK - That makes sense, but...

Why were you not afraid of the flush here, though ? I still don't get that ?

[SnffnMrkrz]

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OK - That makes sense, but...

Why were you not afraid of the flush here, though ? I still don't get that ?

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It's just that flushes make up such a small part of the cold-callers range, and it's unlikely that when the first opponent checks that he has a flush.

[IlPug]

little OT, but i /images/graemlins/heart.gif 6max. i LOL when i play live and it gets shorthanded, at low levels they play even worse than me!

[WhiteWolf]

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I don't see why the flop chekc is that bad, no turn cards really hurt us...



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You just flopped a monster, you want to build a pot. It's easier to do that with moderate bets on all three streets than it is with bigger bets on just two.

[kurto]

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I don't see why the flop chekc is that bad, no turn cards really hurt us:



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You don't know that no card hurts you. You realize that any 3, 4, 6, 8, 9 or 10 can make a possible straight?

Or a better set?

More importantly, you want to stack people. Its quite rare that you'll have opponents this foolish who will get their entire stack in with top pair crappy kicker -- having two in the same hand is even rarer. Quite often to stack someone it might take 3 streets of betting.