NL25 - Should we fold QQ preflop here?

[FreddyT87]

7th hand of the session for me so no reads at all.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $44.20
UTG+1: $19.75
CO: $9
Button: $36.65
SB: $12.15
Hero: $24.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $2.5</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero ...

[JoseRijo]

I think you should call. But you're basically playing for set value.

I'd love to hear from people that can fold QQ pre-flop.

[wingchunflush]

I re raise here make it ~10, fold if UTG shoves, and call if UTG+1 shoves. You make it ~10 and he shoves for $9 more you have to call but not like it.

[monkeymaps]

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I re raise here make it ~10, fold if UTG shoves, and call if UTG+1 shoves. You make it ~10 and he shoves for $9 more you have to call but not like it.

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I dont really like 4/bet folding pre thats pretty gross I dont see anything wrong with just flating or folding here.

[kurto]

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I re raise here make it ~10, fold if UTG shoves, and call if UTG+1 shoves. You make it ~10 and he shoves for $9 more you have to call but not like it.

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I dont really like 4/bet folding pre thats pretty gross I dont see anything wrong with just flating or folding here.

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seriously, If I'm 4 betting for $10 I'm not folding for another $15. Especially since people will push AK preflop.

Smoothcall is fine. Raise is fine. If both players were observant rocks you could even consider folding.

[TheChad]

I have folded QQ PF, but please don't do it here. I like a call and see a flop.

[wingchunflush]

If UTG raises again AI here after all this action its usually not AK. I cna comfortable fold if he shoves his, the other guy is too short. Is this wrong?

[kurto]

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If UTG raises again AI here after all this action its usually not AK. I cna comfortable fold if he shoves his, the other guy is too short. Is this wrong?

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How can you say that when you started by saying you have no reads? I play FTP $25 tables. Last night was no different then most... I saw people pushing with AK and 99 preflop. If the guy had stats like 11/3/5 and he 4 bet push, you're probably right. But with no read whatsover you certainly can't rule out AK. Or JJ. Or JK sooooted.

[Profish2285]

I dont mind calling here and see what happens on the flop. In general its major spew to 4 bet pf with the intention of folding to a 5 bet.

[wingchunflush]

Ok hmmmm, I am a hud bot I guess. I am 4 betting and calling shoves.