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iheartponeez
10-25-2007, 06:59 AM
15/3.8/INFINITYYYYYYY over 26 hands.

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Hero ($34.50)
Button :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($43.45)
SB ($18.40)
BB ($18.80)
UTG ($56.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, Button :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.35) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises to $4.5</font>, Hero calls $2.75.

Turn: ($11.35) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Villain checks.

River: ($11.35) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Villain raises to $15</font>

A-buh?!

Now what the heck? Where did I screw up and do I call?
DiamondDog
10-25-2007, 07:17 AM
Folding would be uber-tight IMO.

You're up against a set here, or even a crappy two-pair, way more often than a better straight.

The only hand that beats you is 59 or 9T. Difficult to imagine a villain that tight calling your preflop raise with either of those.
ROcketRO
10-25-2007, 07:44 AM
I think the most plausible result would be a split pot. But if he floped the nuts he might make a play like this, thinking: "hmmm, i floped the nuts so i'll check that A on the turn like i'm scared of it".
i wouldn't fold this hand tho.
bingrich
10-25-2007, 07:45 AM
Yeah, can't fold here. Villain's line looks like it could be a club draw to me. I think him raising the flop and checking behind turn make a set and the nut straight less likely.
kroeliewoelie
10-25-2007, 07:45 AM
Strange line. But why do you call the flop? You have a one card idiot end straightdraw on 2 flush board. And you are raised. B/f flop IMO.
iheartponeez
10-25-2007, 07:52 AM
Oh I called the flop because I had seen him make moves, and I figured I had 10 outs.
bingrich
10-25-2007, 08:03 AM
If you've seen him make moves you should include that as one of your reads in the OP in addition to villain's stats. After only 26 hands you've seen him make multiple moves? This leans me even closer to busted club draw.
iheartponeez
10-25-2007, 08:07 AM
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If you've seen him make moves you should include that as one of your reads in the OP in addition to villain's stats. After only 26 hands you've seen him make multiples moves? This leans me even closer to busted club draw.

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Just twice, not big moves, but the sort of thing where when a flop comes low and gets c-bet, he doesn't buy it (he assumes, usually correctly, that you're on A/KJ+, or 22-77. So his 3-bet beats most preflop raising ranges on a board like that, so I nearly expect the raise.
bingrich
10-25-2007, 08:15 AM
Results? I'm assuming you didn't fold.
Tanky
10-25-2007, 08:16 AM
Raise all in.

He doesnt think you have a 5, your river bet looks uber weak, there are only 4 combinations of hands (T9s) youre worried about, and with his agression he is trying to move you off of a 2 pair type hand.
toddxlogan
10-25-2007, 08:35 AM
Folding is terrible. I think everyone should see that?

The question is whether to shove or not. This tight of a villain probably doesn't want to give you a free card on the turn flush draw (if he had a 9T, obv doesn't have 59), so that make me lean towards shoving. Further, villain probably knows that the A helped a significant part of your range, and if he has the nuts on the turn he should know that is a good card to bet at. This all leads me to say....

Shove and fist pump.
Profish2285
10-25-2007, 08:47 AM
Im 50/50 between call and shove, probably closer to call until I get a better read on the villain. Why would villain check the nuts on the turn with a flush draw on board? His line doesnt really make sense here, its not like he went to c/r you on the turn or something sexy like that, he checked behind.
traz
10-25-2007, 10:12 AM
I probably shove because his line looks nothing like 9T. Checking the turn makes no sense unless this guy has 99/TT/56.

I can see an arguement for calling. That being said, I can see him making a crying call with worse a lot of the time.

Your river bet sucks btw, make it bigger