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teh_sponge

10-25-2007, 02:21 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter (http://www.pokerhand.org)

Villain just go to the table about 10 hands ago, min raise is his standard raise pf

CO ($22.15)
Button ($14.40)
Hero ($35.15)
BB ($8.85)
UTG ($25.60)
MP ($49.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.5, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, MP calls $2, Button folds.

Flop: ($5.75) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP calls $4.

Turn: ($13.75) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9.25, MP raises to $18.5, Hero ???

2p2J

10-25-2007, 02:28 AM

It's very possible villain could have 44-55 here. Most people would raise with a set on the flop though. This is usually a call IMO.

PietM

10-25-2007, 02:36 AM

I think this is A4/A5/55+ more than enough to be ahead. I'd push here.

KRE8R

10-25-2007, 02:46 AM

Dude, you are behind here. Just fold it. You have no info on villain. I think you should have checked the turn for pot control as there are not many rivers that really scare you at this point anyway.

PietM

10-25-2007, 02:55 AM

no info + minraising = donk at this level until proven otherwise in my book.

I see people play this way with 66,77,88,99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK just as much as with A2/44/55. There are way more hands you beat than that beat you, and most donks see overpairs as the nutz.

STARSCREAM.

10-25-2007, 03:05 AM

Shove and hope he's as donkish as his actions dictate.

Sh@i'tan

10-25-2007, 03:20 AM

140bbs isn't deep. turn is an easy shove and i don't think folding should ever cross your mind. its a 3bet pot, you have AA, and its a v good board for your hand.

rand

10-25-2007, 03:29 AM

wow you guys are so god damn weak its disgusting. easiest...shove...ever. What are you scared of, boats with 44 and 55 that flatted your 3bet pre? come the [censored] on people.

vixticator

10-25-2007, 04:15 AM

It's not that deep and he's taking this line with 88+ too. Wait a little bit so he thinks you are bluffing and push.

cd77

10-25-2007, 05:54 AM

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wow you guys are so god damn weak its disgusting. easiest...shove...ever. What are you scared of, boats with 44 and 55 that flatted your 3bet pre? come the [censored] on people.

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agreed...(ew)

ROcketRO

10-25-2007, 08:25 AM

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Dude, you are NOT behind here.

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i can see A5 here very easy. shove imo.

FreddyT87

10-25-2007, 08:28 AM

against a TAGish player, say 20/12/3 .... any other advice?

Profish2285

10-25-2007, 08:48 AM

I shove here. Youre looking at overpairs alot, and possibly even 45 that doesnt think that his two pair just got counterfeited.

teh_sponge

10-25-2007, 11:14 AM

ok well i obv agreed, i thought this was an easy shove, and i still think it is the correct play. Lately I have been getting stacked alot w/ AA everytime i get action so I just wanted to see what you guys all thought.

Turn: ($13.75) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9.25, MP raises to $18.5, Hero raises to $28.65, MP calls $10.15.

River: ($71.05) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $71.05

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and twos).
MP has 2s As (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: MP wins $71.05.

tarheeljks

10-25-2007, 11:47 AM

easy shove, no need to think twice about it. you're not deep btw

Profish2285

10-25-2007, 12:11 PM

You cant be results oriented about this because you will see many other hands you are ahead of doing this as well. Sucks this time, next time Im sure you will have the best hand.

DaveTheClueless

10-25-2007, 12:51 PM

If you are me, you jam it and get called with a suited A2 who takes your 140BB to the bank on hitting a 2-outer. If you are a normal player, you jam and get called by a pair of 8s, leaving him just enough money to donk off steaming.

toddxlogan

10-25-2007, 12:56 PM

WTF at first few posters advocating folding or even calling.

Shove, and its not close.

If you disagree....well, at this level . . . you are just wrong /images/graemlins/smile.gif. But for the sake of discussion, think about this:

How many pairs 66 and above are possible for villain?

How many pairs below are possible for villain?

munkey

10-25-2007, 01:45 PM

AA 3bet pot , when u bet the turn you're commited so shove.
c/r AI on dry board w/o fdraw vs people that call with crappy hnds in 3bet pots is also another way.

i've recently been thinking about how to play in 3bet pots vs donks that cal with all sorts of dominated speculative crap - and think bet flop shove turn is the way forward on these kinds of low raggish/drawy non-broadway flops.

These kinds of villians will call the flop with any part of the board IMHO.

teh_sponge

10-25-2007, 02:12 PM

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WTF at first few posters advocating folding or even calling.

Shove, and its not close.

BadSeed

10-25-2007, 02:18 PM

This is a shove and btw there is no such thing as pot control out of position /images/graemlins/wink.gif

KRE8R

10-26-2007, 01:09 AM

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This is a shove and btw there is no such thing as pot control out of position /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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lol...There is it just doesnt work as well. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

KRE8R

10-26-2007, 01:14 AM

BTW my bad I totally didnt realize that MP had minraised preflop. I agree that with that board this is a shove.