PPA on Fox & Friends

[AtlantaPoker]

Did anyone see Chris Ferguson and Barry Greenstein representing the PPA on Fox & Friends this morning? Personally, I was disappointed in Fox & Friends' attack on Chris and Barry. But I was more disenchanted with the debating abilities of Chris and Barry. They are intelligent individuals. However, when you can't answer an absurd question such as "Isn't it possible for a college student to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars playing online poker?" with a clear concise answer/retort, then maybe you need to look at how you are being represented in the national media. Barry had the right idea, but he just didn't portray his thoughts clearly.

I would ask that any public appearances made by PPA ambassadors or members be made with a lawyer or legal representative who is capable of debating these uninformed talk show hosts. I feel as though the PPA's image was hurt through the appearance. It was an excellent opportunity to prove our point on a national scale and it was lost because the PPA didn't have the correct people sitting on the forum. You have to take advantage of forums like these. Any thoughts?

[MayorHerb]

You can't win on Fox.

A lawyer or legal representative wouldn't have made a difference.

Jesus (not Ferguson) couldn't win an argument on Fox. They'd shout him down and call him unamerican.

THAT SAID, there isn't any news channel left not sensationalized, to my knowledge.

CNN has Lou "Free Markets are Killing Us and Making Us Chinese Slaves" Dobbs, MSNBC has Keith "How Dare You Mr. President" Olbermann, and Fox has Bill "Liberals are Terrorists" O'Reilly

Then you have the Rita Cosbys and Nancy Graces..

[4_2_it]

"Isn't it possible for a college student to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars playing online poker?"

What a softball question. I didn't see the interview, but I'd much rather the airhead hosts ask that than a question about Absolute Poker and how online poker is rigged with a cut to the youtube cheating video.

[tangled]

"Isn't it possible for a college student to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars playing online poker?"

Absolutely, that's why we need regulation. Prohibition doesn't stop anything except help getting to those who really need it. With regulation resources can be gatthered and used to help the troubled gambler. Without regulation , as now exists, all the extra money goes to house. This is the foolishness of prohibition.

[disjunction]

Anyone have a link?

I'm not sure that one would ever want to use the word "regulation" on a Fox news program, if it can be avoided. Save it for NPR.

I'm not sure what the right answer is on Fox, perhaps "it's not the governments job to be their nanny". I think conservatives like the word nanny.

[catlover]

Many things are capable of being misused. We don't ban them all.

[JPFisher55]

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Anyone have a link?

I'm not sure that one would ever want to use the word "regulation" on a Fox news program, if it can be avoided. Save it for NPR.

I'm not sure what the right answer is on Fox, perhaps "it's not the governments job to be their nanny". I think conservatives like the word nanny.

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That is the correct answer. Republicans used to believe in individual freedom and personal responsibility. But the Republican Party has been taken over by these FOF types who do not believe in these principles or limited government. They have destroyed what was the only decent political party in US.

[Skallagrim]

"A stupid college student can lose hundreds of thousands of dollars on stocktrading, fancy cars, expensive vacations, vegas, sportsbetting, silly business ventures, exotic jewelry and hundreds of other things. Whats your point?"

Skallagrim

[MajBozo]

Maybe I'm just being too naive but how is it possible to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars at online poker if you didn't have that money to begin with?

[meleader2]

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Maybe I'm just being too naive but how is it possible to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars at online poker if you didn't have that money to begin with?

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TBH that's just my ramen noodle money. i spend a lot on food.

[Cactus Jack]

Fair and balanced.

[Synergistic Explosions]

I saw it and was dissapointed in the way the debate went. Especially the question the idiot host asked about 'is it or is it not possible to lose your house online'. Classic answer by BG, 'it's not possible to transfer your house to your account balance'.

Someone has got to come up with a concise answer to the Republican justification of the 'click a mouse, lose your house' line of BS.

[tangled]

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I saw it and was dissapointed in the way the debate went. Especially the question the idiot host asked about 'is it or is it not possible to lose your house online'. Classic answer by BG, 'it's not possible to transfer your house to your account balance'.

Someone has got to come up with a concise answer to the Republican justification of the 'click a mouse, lose your house' line of BS.

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I know I'm going to sound like a broken record, but the way to counteract it is to embrace it. Remind them that online gaming is not going to go away just because a law is passed. So if you are going to stop someone from clicking away their house, you have to set up safeguards to do it. And the only way to do that is with regulation.

If people hadn't come to the conclusion that the 18th amendment was futile and causing more harm than good, it never would have been abolished.

The UIGEA is the virtual equivalent of the chastity belt.

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I know I'm going to sound like a broken record, but the way to counteract it is to embrace it. Remind them that online gaming is not going to go away just because a law is passed. So if you are going to stop someone from clicking away their house, you have to set up safeguards to do it. And the only way to do that is with regulation.

If people hadn't come to the conclusion that the 18th amendment was futile and causing more harm than good, it never would have been abolished.

The UIGEA is the virtual equivalent of the chastity belt.

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I like regulation too.

Here's the problem: whether you like it or not, society has decided to reject your argument for the legalization of drugs. So if you make an argument that sounds too close to the drug war, it will automatically be rejected because people already know their position.

[blutarski]

I'm not sure there's any point in trying to change a typical FOX News viewer's opinion on anything. They are not looking for both sides of a story to help shape a point of view based on the relevant, available information. They simply want someone who agrees with what they already believe.

[canvasbck]

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I'm not sure there's any point in trying to change a typical FOX News viewer's opinion on anything. They are not looking for both sides of a story to help shape a point of view based on the relevant, available information. They simply want someone who agrees with what they already believe.

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Be careful in lumping "Fox viewers" together like that. When we do that, we are no better than the idiots who believe that all poker players are degenerate gamblers who will gamble away their house. I happen to watch foxnews pretty regularly and even classify myself as a <gasp> conservative republican. As a conservative, I support smaller government and want them to leave me the hell alone when I chose to play poker in my own home. I agree with most others on here that FoF has ruined a once great party.

[JPFisher55]

When Fox news starts talking about so-called family values, I close my ears. Otherwise, it is far superior to the so-called mainstrean media.

[Coy_Roy]

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Otherwise, it is far superior to the so-called mainstrean media.


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Please tell us you're joking.........please.........no really........it's a joke right?.......Please?

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[Coy_Roy]

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[4_2_it]

Enough Fox bashing. I could post plenty of CNN errors that are more egregious then this. Let's stay on topic and continue to address the arguments that Fox news and its viewers use to discredit us.

[Explicit65]

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"A stupid college student can lose hundreds of thousands of dollars on stocktrading, fancy cars, expensive vacations, vegas, sportsbetting, silly business ventures, exotic jewelry and hundreds of other things. Whats your point?"

Skallagrim

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[pokerpunchout]

CNN and FOX News are both atrocious .. but FOX is the greater evil of the two.

[kidpokeher]

Barry Greenstein goes into why the interview on FOX didn't go that well.

http://www.pokerroad.com/_/the_bear_blog/10-25-07/

[rrrorrim]

I vote Skallagrim. Skallagrim for spokesperson!! *masses cheer*

[IndyFish]

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Barry Greenstein goes into why the interview on FOX didn't go that well.

http://www.pokerroad.com/_/the_bear_blog/10-25-07/

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That was a great recap of the PPA Fly-in. Very insightful by Mr. Greenstein as to the concerns of Congress. I'm going to write my congressman (Dan Burton-F*) again to try to address the issues he mentions. He's never responded to me yet, FWIW.

Does anyone know more about the Nov. 6th hearing in front of Congress concerning online poker? First I've heard of it, but seems like a good time to call and write in support of poker. TE?

IndyFish