NL50 - 3bet pot - 4 way

[yegon]

I was kinda freaked out when my 3bet got called in 3 spots. Anyway I think I can not cbet with air here into 3 people right? But what do I do on the turn? Do I bet when checked to or do I check and call river bet if any or bet river myself small when checked to?

Party Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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CO: $50.69
Hero (BTN): $65.29
SB: $21.31
BB: $50
UTG: $51.76
MP: $37.71

Pre-Flop: A/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, SB folds, BB calls $5.50, UTG calls $5, CO calls $5

Flop: ($24.25) T/images/graemlins/club.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($24.25) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 Players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero ???

[wslee00]

I'd just call pf, a UTG raise is pretty strong, so I call and play poker.

As for the hand, wow - is this just a really loose table or what? I think you're between a rock and a hard place. If you bet, only better hands call, and if you check, you give everyone free draws to whatever the hell they have.

I really don't think anyone is going to bluff you in this spot, so I make it 12-13 to go and fold to any more resistance. If it's called, then obv check through on the river.

[Tanky]

Bet to protect your hand, i dont see a set giving 2 free cards, and AA or KK would surely have bet by now.

So bet!!

[Profish2285]

Yea, I have to agree with wslee00, unless you get a read that shows he raises UTG with a wide range, this is a flat call. I personally do not start 3 betting people with less than AK until I get a read or its a raise from middle position. Once you get to the turn, you must be to protect your hand as there are so many draws out there and no one has showed any resistance. If you get raised though, insta muck.

[yegon]

I do not raise UTG raisers with AQ normally but as you see I was on a table full of donks that played a lot of hands and this was just a minraise from UTG so I wanted to find out if he's just joking around or has a real hand. That is a reason why I was reluctant to put any more money into the pot when I was called even when I hit on the turn.

I did not think about the 1/2 pot bet option though thanks for the tip. I thought that if I bet my standard (about 20$) I will be commited and would have to call a push.

[andy099]

You gotta bet here, your likely aheaad and want to protect your hand, checking turn is terrible imo. 3 bet is marginal preflop

3betting AQ preflop is fine, especialy against a weak bet from UTG. Do you have any reads on the players at the table ? Seems like a bunch of calling stations. Unless your oponents have no clue whatsoever I would bet here. Can`t see anybody holding a bigger hand and not be betting on that board. But remember: Never underestimate the power of human stupidity

Note: If you bet I would make it about 3/4 pot.

[yegon]

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3betting AQ preflop is fine, especialy against a weak bet from UTG. Do you have any reads on the players at the table ? Seems like a bunch of calling stations. Unless your oponents have no clue whatsoever I would bet here. Can`t see anybody holding a bigger hand and not be betting on that board. But remember: Never underestimate the power of human stupidity

Note: If you bet I would make it about 3/4 pot.

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no real reads yet, If I bet and get reraised AI do I call with half of the effective stack in?

[Profish2285]

If you bet and get raised all in on the turn I think you have to fold. I mean, youre looking at a hand that is almost definitely better than one pair or a combo draw when someone is going to put in their stack with that board.

[yegon]

yeah, but am I not far over the commitment threshold here?

... and on top of that getting 3 to 1 odds at the worst

[Profish2285]

See honestly, I never really understood the whole commitment threshold thing here. Either youre beat or youre not. If you think there is a very strong chance youre beat, then why put in more money just because you put in alot already? Its not like you put in 3/4 or more of your stack, thats a different story.

[slush420]

I think half potting the turn here is fine. You may find a call out of a draw and most raises in a pot this big aren't bluffs. So I say bet 1/2 pot on turn and fold to a raise.

[Khumalo]

I make it $14 on the turn and have a very hard time folding to a shove; reads on any of these players would help. Are they all loose donks? Looking at pf, CO's hand seems the weakest, UTG's looks like a high-ish Ax or mid-pair, and BB's hand strikes me as potentially the strongest, although the flop check diminishes the likelihood of JJ and QQ. Again, if you've noted that the people involved are idiots, then just give everyone a range of 22+ and A8s+ and expect the turn to go bet/call much more often than bet/shove.

[SoCalQuest]

Preflop is fine. Bet and fold to a raise on the turn seems optimal.

If you gonna half bet turn, you might as well check and hope for a blank river, since you are giving draws odds to call.

[slush420]

trying to figure out how opponent is getting odds to draw on a 1/2 pot bet unless he has a combo draw. 3:1 odds is fine to give to a flush draw or a str8 draw I believe.

[SoCalQuest]

Betting and giving odds? Half pot gives the opponent 3:1 on his money. With a naked flush draw he needs 5:1 or implied odds.

How is checking better? lol Giving him a freebie to draw rather than charging?

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Betting and giving odds? Half pot gives the opponent 3:1 on his money. With a naked flush draw he needs 5:1 or implied odds.

How is checking better? lol Giving him a freebie to draw rather than charging?

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Yea, but he also gets implied odds, cause he will get another bet out of you on the river.