Play along hand, trips 287 BB deep

[Bill Smith]

SB is running 41/3/5.5 (not a typo) over 40 hands. Pretty straight forward play so far as I could tell.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($28.75)</font>
SB ($46.60)
BB ($8.87)
UTG ($2.10)
MP ($8.20)
CO ($19.28)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, SB calls $0.35, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($0.90) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $1.6</font>, Hero...?

[TTStrangler]

whew, maniac, pop it to 5?

[HasPair]

3-bet and see what happens, call if he shoves.

[Soultwister]

I strangely see SB's line quite often when they are on a flushdraw or straightdraw as well. Versus calling stations I agree with 3-betting here, vs people who are trying to be tricky I often just call and bet or raise the turn if a non-spade arrives to spoil their OOP free card play.

Obviously, the real plan for the turn is to hit the Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif

Now if he has a T here you are behind to AT/KT obviously, but ahead of JT/T9/T8, which are all in the range of someone with 40% vpip.

If he also is a calling station postflop (his AF is high, but I mean calling with bad odds), I'd 3-bet here to slightly over the size of the current pot + his reraise size.

Also, being effectively nearly 300BB's deep, I would not call a shove here without more specific reads.

[2p2J]

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3-bet and see what happens, call if he shoves.

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Although this post is plain and simple, it gets the job done for this situation IMO also.

[Bill Smith]

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I strangely see SB's line quite often when they are on a flushdraw or straightdraw as well. Versus calling stations I agree with 3-betting here, vs people who are trying to be tricky I often just call and bet or raise the turn if a non-spade arrives to spoil their OOP free card play.

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So yeah, this was my plan. Play continues:

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($28.75)</font>
SB ($46.60)
BB ($8.87)
UTG ($2.10)
MP ($8.20)
CO ($19.28)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, SB calls $0.35, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($0.90) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $1.6</font>, Hero calls $0.80.

Turn: ($4.10) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3.9</font>, Hero...

[bozzer]

to get all the money in you need to raise somewhere... like now.

[Bill Smith]

I'm surprised no other responses. I'll tell you that I just called. Will post my logic and river tonight.

Edit: I'm not saying I played this hand right - feel free to flame away in the interim.

[Micro Donk]

well its not a difficult hand...

a guy with that AF and that PFR shows that hes prone to way overplay hands and draws. so im going to 3bet to around 5.5 and hope to have it all in by the turn

as played, i make it 11-12 on the turn and be all in by the river

[Profish2285]

You have to raise this turn, I am assuming that is why you didnt 3 bet him on the flop. Well you got what you wanted, so now its time to push the action. Just because you realize being this deep effects the play of hands doesnt mean the opponent does. He could have a boat, or he could have a draw, or he could have 88, or he could have whatever other randomness that people show up with. Regardless, this board is getting more draw heavy and its time to make him pay if hes drawing. Make it ~12 here and call a push.

[AFCBeer]

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a guy with that AF and that PFR shows that hes prone to way overplay hands and draws.

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His AF is actually pretty meaningless. Guys with low PFR's tend to have high AF's anyway. This is over just 40 hands anyway.

The way I play this depends on the type of hands I have seen him play a big pot with before previously. That being said I'm nearly always 3-betting the flop.

[Micro Donk]

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a guy with that AF and that PFR shows that hes prone to way overplay hands and draws.

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His AF is actually pretty meaningless. Guys with low PFR's tend to have high AF's anyway. This is over just 40 hands anyway.

The way I play this depends on the type of hands I have seen him play a big pot with before previously. That being said I'm nearly always 3-betting the flop.

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PFAF factors into AF. so someone that passive pre has to be insane postflop. or after 40 hands, a huge cardrack

[Bill Smith]

So as AFC said, I didn't trust that AF and figured this was just a loose-passive donk on a rush over 40 hands. When I called the flop, my plan was to bet/raise a safe turn, but then the 41/3 bets pot into a card that wasn't exactly a rag after having min-raised the flop. I'm not sure if I should read that as a strong or weak play, and I had absolutely no idea how to react to a push.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($28.75)</font>
SB ($46.60)
BB ($8.87)
UTG ($2.10)
MP ($8.20)
CO ($19.28)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, SB calls $0.35, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($0.90) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $1.6</font>, Hero calls $0.80.

Turn: ($4.10) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3.9</font>, Hero calls $3.90.

River: ($11.90) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets?</font>

Whether my opponent was on a flush draw or had a hand and was trying to bet me off a draw, it's now pretty likely I've been ahead the whole way and just want a weak ten or whatever to pay me off.

Like I said, I played it pretty badly. I probably should be happy to get it in at some point, but it should have started with a 3-bet to 5 on the flop.

[bknollenberg]

i'd bet about 6-8ish and vom if he raises and prob fold, but i don't know. you know you played it poorly, so it's not worth mentioning, but it's pretty 50/50 here on value town.

[Xanta]

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3-bet and see what happens, call if he shoves.

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This sucks. Against someone as aggro as he is, if you 3pop the flop he knows you can't be pushed off and is shutting down. The most effective counterstrategy to maniacs is just letting them hang themselves. Call flop, re-eval turn, either calling or raising depending on what happens and how much he bets (and he will bet)

[bsball8806]

ughhh I really don't like a bet on this river, it really seems like it would turn our hand into a bluff. If villain has A 10 or K 10, I doubt he gives you credit for the naked 8 and folds. However, if he has a lower 10 than you I can't see him c/f here.