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LOwrestling2001

10-20-2007, 09:57 PM

Villains are both donkish. I forget stats. We can fold this, right? Given that there are two villains in the hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($52.95)
SB ($80.30)
BB ($65.95)
UTG ($37.10)
MP ($35.75)
CO ($1.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises to $1.5, MP calls $1.50, CO calls $1.35 (All-In), Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($6.60) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, MP bets $1, Hero calls $1, UTG calls $1.

Turn: ($9.60) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, MP bets $1, Hero raises to $7.5, UTG calls $7.50, MP calls $6.50.

River: ($32.10) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets $27.1 (All-In), MP calls $25.75 (All-In), Hero calls $27.10.

Final Pot: $112.05

Micro Donk

10-20-2007, 10:00 PM

utg slowplayed AA right?

vixticator

10-20-2007, 10:04 PM

You know I had almost this exact scenario happen last night. Even the Queen on river +overcard on flop. Except I flopped a set and made a small value bet trying to induce a shove on turn, but he called. Then Queen hit and he shoved river. I knew he hit QQ but called anyways, almost instacall.

I'm paying off set vs set.

Peleus

10-20-2007, 10:16 PM

No, you can't fold here.

Donks are doing this with AK / AQ all day.

GrinningBuddha

10-20-2007, 11:38 PM

I like the fold. Both of their lines are pointing to draws. Two of the three possible draws on the turn (when they both call your sizeable raise) get there on the river. Muck to MP's call; call the original all-in begrudgingly if MP doesn't call.

Soultwister

10-20-2007, 11:46 PM

Versus one player I would never fold here but with the odd turn play I think you at least should worry about a flush at the minimum as both people ended up all-in on the turn. I also like a fold here.

But taking my advice comes at a risk, the last time I folded a set and posted it here (well, I did fold the second nuts on the flop when villains preflop play almost convinced me that he would have to have aces, and his flop play confirmed it to me on an A high board) someone from 2+2 was nice enough to make me this:

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/749/125/74912565-1b37-4002-832c-38fe9edb9f51

Dr_Doctr

10-20-2007, 11:47 PM

Easy fold - Villians are not calling on turn and then going ape on the river without one of them having a flush. You are still to act and you're the one who raised the turn but neither of them care. And you have to raise more on that turn - you said yourself the Villians are donkish - if they have any piece of that they're not going to fold if you raise more.