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bigmac366
10-20-2007, 01:48 PM
UTG has been mini raising almost every hand........ <font color="black"> </font>
CO = unknown but is running 29/5 in the few hands i have vs him.


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MP ($2.25)
CO ($13.65)
Button ($13.05)
Hero ($9.35)
BB ($3.50)
UTG ($9.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $0.2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero????
HasPair
10-20-2007, 01:50 PM
Fold or 4-bet. I guess I fold with that information like 70% of the time and 4-bet 30%.

edit: Actually I would 4-bet this pretty often. I guess you can also just call, but I don't like playing OOP that much so I prefer taking the control.
bigmac366
10-20-2007, 01:53 PM
should we 4-bet shove, or 4 bet and fold to a shove?
HasPair
10-20-2007, 01:57 PM
I would 4-bet to like $2.2ish
TheChad
10-20-2007, 01:57 PM
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should we 4-bet shove, or 4 bet and fold to a shove?

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depends on the size of the 4b that you are feeling/reads/etc. The stacks are nice and thick for the stakes. I wouldn't mind a 4b of like 2.50 here. If you put him on anything but a PP, I would just shove. I kinda like flat-calling his 3b personally.
bigmac366
10-20-2007, 02:03 PM
would you fold to a shove though?
kroeliewoelie
10-20-2007, 02:11 PM
4bet and fold to shove IMO. A guy that raises 5 percent of his hands, doesn't 4bet shove lighter than AK,KK+ IMO, unless I have seen otherwise in the past.
bknollenberg
10-20-2007, 02:16 PM
i'll take the unpopular approach and say fold. if you 4 bet and fold to a shove, you're putting over 20% of your stack in and leaving it. if you call and UTG shoves or 4 bets, you can't really call. if you 4 bet and the CO flat calls and you totally miss the flop, what are you going to do? the only hand he'll really fold in that spot would be AK if you cbet, and you'd be cbetting over 50% of your remaining stack. it's just a poor spot, imo. if you really want to play it, i would open shove to save yourself the tough decision / change at being outplayed later and hope to just take it down, but that's a tourney style play. i'd drop it.
TheChad
10-20-2007, 02:37 PM
meh, probably. But only bc he is tighter than most 18 year olds.
ICMoney
10-20-2007, 03:04 PM
We are OTB and UTG has been MR every hand.

I just ignore him and consider this a standard 3b, not a 4b.

I make it 2.25.
ICMoney
10-20-2007, 03:06 PM
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meh, probably. But only bc he is tighter than most 18 year olds.

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This 5 pfr is over "few" hands.

I've ran at those stats a bunch in various sessions before.

He prob has been card dead and is opening pairs, face cards, etc.
hengelaar
10-20-2007, 03:27 PM
this indeed is a simple preflop decision.
I think CO knows that UTG minraises everyhand. He can make a 3bet with a big range even though his stats are 30/5.
So 4bet and call a shove.