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Mr_Pathetic
10-18-2007, 08:35 PM
Many of you find these two graphs useless and most of you are blind at the power of this program and instead think it is just a program to help you feel better when running bad.

1. Game Analysis graph.
If your green line is lower then the other two then it is highly likely you depend on showdowns to win and pretty much do a lot of folding otherwise. Is this ok? For some yes, for others no. It could mean you are weak tight, it could mean you are cold situationally in non-showdown pots.

On the contrary, if your green line is higher then you probably are very successful at recognizing weakness and stealing the pot. Or you could be getting into favorable situations that have nothing to do with how you play. You might not be getting paid off on your made hands. I think you get the idea.

Now here is something you should do. This is where this graph gets mad interesting. There are FILTERS FOR THIS GRAPH! USE THEM! Positon OTB: filter for positions 0-3 then 4-5 and see what happens. Filter for different types of hands on different streets and see what happens. Use this graph to plug leaks and stop whining and saying they mean nothing. Filter for how you do with a straight draw on the board, filter for how you do with flush draws, made flushes, baby flushes, 2nd nut straights, etc. Fitler for how you do in certain size pots. 0-20bb, 20-40bb, etc. I have left some stuff out but you get the point now so analyze your game and stop saying the game analysis graph is useless!!! The filters are there for a reason NOW USE THEM!

2. All in graphs. Use this for luck in all in situations.

here is a filter pic so that you actually can see the power of this program!
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4283/filtersec5.png

If you want to get good at this game then start reviewing all your hands in PT after every session or shut up when your results suck. I am tired of reading it!

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR RESULTS AND STOP SAYING PROGRAMS LIKE THIS ARE WORTHLESS BECAUSE YOUR GRAPH LOOKS LIKE [censored]!

PS: I was guilty of all this too until someone brutally told me what the deal is and I got up one morning, looked in the mirror, and got comfortable with the fact that yes I suck balls. It is like an alcoholic admitting truthfully that he does in fact have a problem.

members_only
10-18-2007, 08:38 PM
Phew, I thought this was going to be even more of those [censored] graphs.

Nice post.

ghostface
10-18-2007, 08:48 PM
I'm an alcoholic. Will you coach me?

LiveNow
10-18-2007, 08:49 PM
tl dr, these graphs seem really useless fwiw

kaz2107
10-18-2007, 08:52 PM
just skimmed it as imo u cant learn n e thing from them in reality just as most stats n graphs r. but r u sayin that people think they r worthless because it shows they run bad?!?!?!? i was under the impression that they use this to help them not take the blame and just say "well my EV graph shows i run bad so i am obv running bad. now i can continue to play my same game and wait till i run better"

kinda weird i guess

NL Newbie
10-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Think im gonna stay clear from this, untill i learn WTF any of it means.

Even the best size Vs Equity seems rather odd/misleading/perhaps useless.

DOWNLOAD IT HERE BTW http://pokerevsoftware.com/download.html

kolotoure
10-18-2007, 09:04 PM
I play against ranges not the hand villain happens to have

Mr_Pathetic
10-18-2007, 09:12 PM
I am saying people think the game analysis graphs are useless because they just look at the graph, see their green line in the dumpster and see the other two and never filter to see where the green line drops. So they think the program sucks. Well the graph in its entirety doesn't do much but paint a broad picture but once you start filtering it down using all the filters provided you really start to see where your play is lacking. For example, in pots up to 20bb I suck hard. It is just the simple fact that people are lazy and do not attempt to learn anything about this stuff.

Micro Donk
10-18-2007, 09:30 PM
so i suck hard at 5-20BB pots? i feel like i fold too much to c-bets being raised anyway...

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/8020/evgraphwq3.gif

ICMoney
10-18-2007, 09:31 PM
Interesting prog.

Maybe you could go through a few filters that helped your game?

I did it once and was running just about at expectation.

I said, "Oh, guess poker isn't rigged" and didn't use it after that.

badatmath
10-18-2007, 09:33 PM
At microstakes, is anyone able to get their green line a lot higher than the others? I get called down too much.

ICMoney
10-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Yo, this sucks. It looks like I'm running goot and down $2k.

Filtered for 5bb - 20bb pots.

http://www.poker-ga.com/images/5to20bbpots.jpg

Mr_Pathetic
10-18-2007, 09:48 PM
At NL5 after 35k hands I had it only $14 below the other two unfiltered. When I moved to NL10 it was $300 below the other two! This led me to get busy finding out why. Filtering for how you are doing with certain hand types in conjunction with certain board types is enlightening as is the position filter.

My theory is that the green line goes down due to positions 4-5 so in order to get that green line back to the blue and red unfiltered you need to recoup that money from positions 0-3 by winning more non-showdown pots. You can do this, I had it at NL5 and lost it at NL10 and never knew why till I used this filter for position and realized all lines equal in positions 0-3 for NL10 but at NL5 filtered for positions 0-3 my green line was a good $100 above the other two.

losingdonkey
10-18-2007, 09:49 PM
cliffnotes: program is worthless

Mr_Pathetic
10-18-2007, 09:50 PM
Sarcasm or seriousness?

vixticator
10-18-2007, 09:50 PM
[ QUOTE ]
At microstakes, is anyone able to get their green line a lot higher than the others? I get called down too much.

[/ QUOTE ]My green/red line is same and blue is way below both of them...

Mr_Pathetic
10-18-2007, 09:52 PM
Use more then just the pot size filter. I use the position ones and the board type and hand type ones more then anything. Also no. of players seeing flop and action is good too. Go through them all and play around.

ICMoney
10-18-2007, 09:53 PM
My pots have to be larger than 50bb for my green to be above the red line.

Does anyone's green line go above the blue one? At what >bb?

Hope my graph doesn't end up being like Fgator's right triangle on the bottom leg.

Under the analysis tab, are the bet/equity suspossed to be equity or is are we suspossed to bet less/more than our equity on various streets?

vixticator
10-18-2007, 09:59 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Does anyone's green line go above the blue one? At what >bb

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, my green is higher than blue for all bb sizes but the bigger pot the closer they get and vice versa--my green is way higher in small pots than blue line.

ICMoney
10-18-2007, 10:02 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Does anyone's green line go above the blue one? At what >bb

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, my green is higher than blue for all bb sizes but the bigger pot the closer they get and vice versa--my green is way higher in small pots than blue line.

[/ QUOTE ]

So does that mean I'm not fighting for enough of the small pots, floating too much or what?

Interested. Seems like a big leak of mine.

Thanks.

vixticator
10-18-2007, 10:04 PM
[ QUOTE ]
So does that mean I'm not fighting for enough of the small pots, floating too much or what?

[/ QUOTE ]Not sure. I steal a lot of small pots on turn or flop. And for that reason it makes sense people call me down lighter and therefore my showdown winnings are lower than total. But only 12k sample. These graphs are 25nl only, but 5nl graph looks similar ~20k hands.

Total:
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7599/atotalwinba2.jpg

5-20 bb pot graph:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8040/520wev5.jpg

Claunchy
10-18-2007, 10:06 PM
Good post OP.

A lot of you micro-stakes players aren't usually going to have your green line much higher than your blue line. It's probably possible, but more often than not you're gonna get the opportunity to show down your good hands because villains suck more.

What you should aim for is to keep the green line in the same ballpark as the blue line.

Mr_Pathetic
10-18-2007, 10:45 PM
[ QUOTE ]

What you should aim for is to keep the green line in the same ballpark as the blue line.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is my goal. I was pretty much there at NL5 then something changed at NL10 and now I must get back there. My game plan is to use position to offset the non-showdown money lost in blinds and get the green line even with the other two unfiltered.