AK 10nl turn donk

[ghostface]

Villain is 23/8/2.4 after 150 hands which are all mined. Still my first orbit at the table.


Full Tilt Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com)Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

BTN: $12
SB: $10
Hero (BB): $10.20
UTG: $6.20
CO: $4.70

Pre-Flop: A/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, UTG calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.35, SB folds

Flop: ($1.70) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 Players)
BTN checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.40</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.40

Turn: ($4.50) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BTN bets $2.20</font>, Hero ?

Is this a tough situation at all?

[vixticator]

Fold because he's not bluffing very often and you have no redraw plus will have to call another street.

[members_only]

Yea I think it's tough. Flush draws and AQ just overtook you, which is presumably a lot of his range, and there aren't really any hands that a reasonable player could be bluffing with. But your turn check is quite weak, you don't know that he wouldn't bet a weaker ace, and you're getting good odds.

Vix's reasoning is good but I don't think a call and check/eval river is too bad either.

[ghostface]

converter messed this hand up. villain is SB and I was UTG.

[members_only]

Well that pushes me more towards a fold, but I don't think a call is awful.

[Jailblazers]

No reads this is interesting even though we are pracitcally beat every time. But it seems like the only hand that could make sense here is 2pair/set that was slowplayed on the flop and he is trying to take down the pot right now. Or he has a low flush (34hh or 45hh) that he is trying to protect. Obviously raising all-in here is not the normal play but is anybody considering it??? villain seems pretty tight.

[vixticator]

Four people went to flop and flush draw got there on turn in which villain bet into. You are drawing dead &gt;50% of the time IMO.

[ghostface]

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No reads this is interesting even though we are pracitcally beat every time. But it seems like the only hand that could make sense here is 2pair/set that was slowplayed on the flop and he is trying to take down the pot right now. Or he has a low flush (34hh or 45hh) that he is trying to protect. Obviously raising all-in here is not the normal play but is anybody considering it??? villain seems pretty tight.

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are 23/8's gonna have that in the sb? i thought i had to be dead here so i folded.

[Jailblazers]

Yeah I'm sure we're drawing pretty close to if not dead here. I think alot of tight players at NL10 still love to play SC's and PPs, Axs and AT+ in multiway, raised pots.

On second note, I would need a read on villain like "able to make strong laydowns", in order to shove. For these types of players and with about 80BBs, calling a push with anything less than a flush is difficult. And sometimes you might get a low flush to fold here. However, most of the time I just go with the standard play and fold because pushing all-in here is too much variance for me and seems like it is unprofitable in the long run. Frustration calls are also another thing you have to be worried about. Without read it is fold.

Just a quick question: Am I completely missing the point of what MSNL is all about with this kind of thinking?

[ghostface]

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And sometimes you might get a low flush to fold here.

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lol?

[Schiester]

I don't like calling in this position. I don't want to oblige myself into calling a river bet on a flushed board when the best I can hope for is 2pair/trips. He's only donked 1/2 pot which says to me he's not worried about the flush draw.

A raise seems a bit out of the question also. I agree with jailbreakers that crappy flushes may fold... but not that often at 10nl, and I would expect a crappy flush to bet more on this turn.

Folding seems the best option to me.

[Jailblazers]

Anyone see villain doing this with AT or AJ? His line of thinking could be:

Preflop: I've got a pretty strong Ace (sooted!), lets see a flop.

Flop: I got TPGK, bet is pretty small and I have TP, folding here is too weak.

Turn: Flush card came, maybe I can get villain to think I was chasing a flush. I'll put out a blocking bet of 1/2 pot and maybe a) I can get him to fold and b)See where I'm at in this hand and plan on checking the river.

Considering this is the lowest stakes on a site, you will see a lot of bad players. And alot of these guys do not like to fold a strong (AKA marginal) hand unless they are VERY sure they are beat. I don't think you can judge how good someone is based solely on their stats.

Thoughts?