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donkontilt
10-18-2007, 05:47 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($11.69)
UTG ($48.48)
MP ($34.50)
Hero ($57.06)
Button ($24.30)
SB ($24.08)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3.3</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2.30.

Flop: ($6.95) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $53.75</font>, Button calls $24.30 (All-In).

I put him on QQ, KK, or AA. Possibly JJ AK or AQ. He was 20/17, through 150 hands. He would fold QQ and KK, and hopfully AQ and possibly even AK.

Turn: ($65.55) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($65.55) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $65.55

vixticator
10-18-2007, 05:56 PM
You are in good shape against basically everything. I'm not sure how much FE you have in 3bet pot but this could easily be c-bet with KK or something. Standard.

donkontilt
10-18-2007, 05:58 PM
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You are in good shape against basically everything. I'm not sure how much FE you have in 3bet pot but this could easily be c-bet with KK or something. Standard.

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The call with the T-8 suited was the hardest part, but i find it hard to lay this down. Now that i think about it I probably should because I was OOP

21SuicideKing21
10-18-2007, 05:59 PM
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You are in good shape against basically everything. I'm not sure how much FE you have in 3bet pot but this could easily be c-bet with KK or something. Standard.

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do you like the fact that he just shoves? I think you would fold AQ and other Ax's most of the time here. Wouldn't a raise to 15ish be the right play here and hope to get it all in? I mean you're draw is def strong enough to shove here but just trying to see if by this play you would fold out weaker hands.

well named
10-18-2007, 06:05 PM
Given villain's stack size calling any real raise is going to commit him so I don't think shoving is that bad. If he's calling 10 more he's calling all-in, and the pot is already big enough it's not a horrible thing if he folds.

21SuicideKing21
10-18-2007, 06:07 PM
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Given villain's stack size calling any real raise is going to commit him so I don't think shoving is that bad. If he's calling 10 more he's calling all-in, and the pot is already big enough it's not a horrible thing if he folds.

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yeah true, didn't realize villain only had 25, looking at the wrong stack size. Also nice avatar OP, GO ERNIE!!!

donkontilt
10-18-2007, 06:08 PM
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Given villain's stack size calling any real raise is going to commit him so I don't think shoving is that bad. If he's calling 10 more he's calling all-in, and the pot is already big enough it's not a horrible thing if he folds.

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yeah true, didn't realize villain only had 25, looking at the wrong stack size. Also nice avatar OP, GO ERNIE!!!

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yeaaaaaa.i got his sig at the presidents cup. So awesome

Sh@i'tan
10-18-2007, 06:09 PM
calling pf with this hand is terrible. the flop plays itself obv if you have reads there may be better plays. crai vs a 20/17 on this flop is +EV but calling 3bets OOP with suited one gappers is a donkey play.

21SuicideKing21
10-18-2007, 06:09 PM
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Given villain's stack size calling any real raise is going to commit him so I don't think shoving is that bad. If he's calling 10 more he's calling all-in, and the pot is already big enough it's not a horrible thing if he folds.

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yeah true, didn't realize villain only had 25, looking at the wrong stack size. Also nice avatar OP, GO ERNIE!!!

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yeaaaaaa.i got his sig at the presidents cup. So awesome

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so sweet, been a big Ernie fan for a long time. gotta love his swing, hopefully he's ready for next years majors.

BlindFinder
10-18-2007, 11:21 PM
too bad hes not good enough to beat tiger

ShipitFMA
10-18-2007, 11:33 PM
I play it the same, but never get there. Nh

Schiester
10-18-2007, 11:44 PM
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calling pf with this hand is terrible. the flop plays itself obv if you have reads there may be better plays. crai vs a 20/17 on this flop is +EV but calling 3bets OOP with suited one gappers is a donkey play.

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thankyou!

Supwithbates
10-19-2007, 12:31 AM
fold preflop but flop is standard