50nl - Easy / Standard call with combo draw? multi way allin

[ShipitFMA]

<font color="blue">CO is 31 / 15 / 1.5 (60 hands) and has been losing alot
BB is 35 / 11 / 1.4 (60 hands)
I've been running at about 16/13</font>

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com)Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

BTN: $76.40
SB: $29.45
BB: $18.70
UTG: $37.90
MP: $33.40
Hero (CO): $115.25

Pre-Flop: 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $1.50</font>, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.75) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">MP bets $2</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $17.20 and is All-In</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $31.90 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls ???????????

22 into 61 (roughly) for me, this is the easiest call ever ?yeah?

[corsakh]

Sorry misread the stacks, thought it was still 25nl. You have give notice in advance when you decide to move for crist sake /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Full stacks I get our of there as quick as I can.

[prodonkey]

These are the places where you may have to worry about your flush draw being good. It's not even a buy in though.. I have no problem getting it in here.

[ShipitFMA]

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Easy fold. You dont even have K high.

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Is this a joke? getting 3:1 when i have around 16ish outs

[takingcontrol]

you probably have six outs most of the time here. i fold this.

[munkey]

No FE + showdown value + flush outs are some % non-existent given 3way AI on the flop = fold.

[ShipitFMA]

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you probably have six outs most of the time here. i fold this.

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You put one of these guys on the fd?

[checktheriver]

Unless I'm missing something it's an instacall w fd + dble gutter.

Board: Jh 5h 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.686% 40.69% 00.00% 258647 0.00 { 9h7h }
Hand 1: 29.450% 29.45% 00.00% 187202 16.50 { JJ+, 88, 55, AhKh, AhQh, AhTh }
Hand 2: 29.864% 29.86% 00.00% 189830 16.50 { JJ, 88, 55, AhKh, AhQh, AJs, AhTh, J8s, 85s, AJo }

[ShipitFMA]

This is what im triyng to say ^^^ i feel as though im being leveled by everyone

[takingcontrol]

at least. both of them probably have it. hearts aren't clean enough of the time in a situation like this to make your call profitable.

[xeanatic]

The only time you are really screwed here is when one of them has the higher flush draw. Their stats indicate that they are not aggressive enough to do this with a draw.

If we say both villians have a set here our equity is great so it depends on your reads if you think they do this with a draw yes or no.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

8,127 games 0.005 secs 1,625,400 games/sec

Board: Jh 5h 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 44.038% 44.04% 00.00% 3579 0.00 { 9h7h }
Hand 1: 04.540% 04.54% 00.00% 369 0.00 { 55 }
Hand 2: 51.421% 51.42% 00.00% 4179 0.00 { 88 }

[checktheriver]

Did you see the ranges I gave to the villains ? If you think it's a fold please provide credible ranges that give us less than 30% equity. I don't think you can do that.

[ShipitFMA]

Stove says it is?

[prodonkey]

I agree.. usually they are NOT doing this with a draw, really the only hand I'd puke if they turned over on this board is 9Th, but you have the 9.. so.

Maybe one has Q's, one has AJ.. one has J's one has A's.. etc.. tons of ways for hero to have at least 40% equity in this pot, and not many ways for us to be really crushed, since even if you are crushed under a flush draw, you still have a double gutter.

[munkey]

O.k looks like I've misread it too -o.k. its NL50 not Nl25.
I'm still a bit confused now aren't you CO but CO is 31/15 ?

Our equity is highest when they have similar hands , if they both have sets they have some of each other's boat outs - so worst case scenario - best combo draw vs us &amp; best made hand:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,709 games 0.020 secs 135,450 games/sec

Board: Jh 5h 8s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 16.168% 16.17% 00.00% 438 0.00 { 9h7h }
Hand 1: 20.598% 20.60% 00.00% 558 0.00 { AhKh }
Hand 2: 63.234% 63.23% 00.00% 1713 0.00 { JJ }

Maybe I was too rash - I certainly would have folded with full $50 stacks.

edit: I've misread it again -though you only had a gsthot + fdraw -ooh those double gutters are so deceptive /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'll have my bannna and a lie down /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[takingcontrol]

i cant get stove to work for me here, however, I think an ok guess is that 40% of the time hearts are clean, then rest of the time we have 6 outs. that being the case,
40%(15) = 6
60%(6)= 3.6
add em together, 9.6 or 10 effective outs for arguments sake and therefore about 40% to make our draw by the river in general. I still feel that's a bit optimistic, however i'm happy enough to accept that counter-intuitive as it my seem I was wrong. but now am right. call all day.

/lies down

[1tripz1]

No one has said it but i fold PF.

[ShipitFMA]

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No one has said it but i fold PF.

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nit

[corsakh]

Btw trpz is correct. MP isnt even full stack.

[kenadams]

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No one has said it but i fold PF.

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[1tripz1]

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No one has said it but i fold PF.

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nit

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lol its true. no action - lllllag, action - supernit.

[cashstrapped]

Yeah id fold pre with MP's stack, but as played im calling the all in.

[Nemesis69]

Standard gamble imo.