What is this donk doing??

[ICMoney]

Reads

He is 26/5/1.3 over 38 hands.

He seems to trap, but never min bets.

Ex: He is in BB with ATo, button and sb limp. He limps. He cc $2 (1.5 pot) on ATKr, he leads for $3 (5.5) on Qo, leads for $10 (11.5) on 5o.


Ex: He calls a pfr in sb w/ K6s, he donks $1 (4.5) on K2s9 into me, calls a raise to $4 and a Qo and As check through.
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt (http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-FullTilt.php#converter) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($59.60)
SB ($45.10)
BB ($54.20)
Hero ($50.20)
MP ($52.60)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/ad.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/qd.gif.
Hero raises to $2</font>, MP calls $2, 3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/jd.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/qh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/2s.gif (3 players)</font>
Hero bets $3.5</font>, MP calls $3.50.

Turn: ($11.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/kh.gif (3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP bets $0.5</font>, Hero raises to $9.5</font>, MP calls $9.

River: ($30.75) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/8s.gif (3 players)</font>
Hero bets $12</font>, MP raises to $37.6 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $29.15

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I was going to check and then bet river or call a reasonable bet on turn.

A flush draw hit turn and I didn't think he would min bet with a king. I was pretty sure my queen was good at this point.

On the other hand, he can take a free card. By betting the min on turn he is opening himself up for a CR. Did he flop/turn a monster?

He called flop and bet strong on turn/river when he flopped two pair before.


River bet was for value. </font>

[NL Newbie]

Bet or check/call turn, but i dont fold to min bet.

Raising just seems -EV, you fold tonnes of stuff and im not very bothered about protection. Id rather not protect and not spew, then spew and protect sometimes.

as played, check fold river i guess.

[wotttttttttt]

a lot of idiots take this line with the straight here because they hope that you will react as you did and go crazy with a mediocre holding. Their 50 cent bet looks weak so you hate to fold to such a ridiculously stupid bet, but calling basically allows them to run over you on most rivers and they get this info very cheaply.

[ICMoney]

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Their 50 cent bet looks weak so you hate to fold to such a ridiculously stupid bet, but calling basically allows them to run over you on most rivers and they get this info very cheaply.

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I was worried about looking weak and just geting pushed off my hand on river.

If I just call turn and then value bet river, he can pretty much shove and be confident I have one pair at best.

[NL Newbie]

Who cares if he bluffs you out with [Insert his range you think he bluffs you with here lol] (ill help, QT and nothing else), seriously your behind a heap.

Check his stats for an idea, and your previous read/hands for an idea of his approach to big hands.

Your behind with poor odds, seriously.

[ICMoney]

I'm pretty sure I'm behind on the river once he calls turn raise.

I was talking about if I just call his min on turn and then value bet river.

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Who cares if he bluffs you out with [Insert his range you think he bluffs you with here lol] (ill help, QT and nothing else), seriously your behind a heap.

Check his stats for an idea, and your previous read/hands for an idea of his approach to big hands.

Your behind with poor odds, seriously.

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[creamfillin]

This turn check-raise is ridiculously bad. I'd call and fold to a serious river bet.

[NL Newbie]

ICMONEY - Gonna make you do the work bro.

Give me his range

Now cut this down to his calling range

[ICMoney]

Range:

Based on the previous action, I checked to see if he would bet big.

He didn't so I didn't think he had two pair/set.

Before he calls my turn raise I think his range is 77-TT, and one pair hands Qx, Jx. My raise was strickly for value.

He seems donkish and I didn't expect a fold from AJ or TT.

Obviously when he calls his range is dramatically different.


I would eliminate the 77-TT, but prob keep AK, AJ, AQ, JT, TQ, KT-KQ. I guess sets and the straight are in there too. Maybe some funky backdoor flush cards.

When I CR he has to know I'm going to follow up with a bet on the river. If he called $9 on turn w/ AJ I think he will call $12 (into the much larger pot).

Where is my logic flawed?

[ICMoney]

If you just call on the turn, the pot will be $13 on the river.

Are you calling a PSB on river or how much?

Thanks.

[slush420]

I'm rarely calling a river bet even if it's just half pot sized. But I would definitely call turn. He gave you great odds to spike a queen or a king which are the best cards you could hope for.

[NL Newbie]

yes but whats he calling your river bet with?

[wotttttttttt]

ICMoney, the part I left out is that although you feel like calling is sooo exploitable, they're idiots because they only do this with the straight. They really AREN'T exploiting you, they just hope that you think they are

[ICMoney]

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yes but whats he calling your river bet with?

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Like I said, if he's calling around a psr on turn w/ a queen or good jack he'll call a river bet getting 4:1.

Up to this point I thought his most likely holding was a pair worse than mine.

[ICMoney]

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ICMoney, the part I left out is that although you feel like calling is sooo exploitable, they're idiots because they only do this with the straight. They really AREN'T exploiting you, they just hope that you think they are

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I think this is mostly likely correct.

He took a totally different line than when he had two pair before. Pretty sure he's a donk and not some genius taking a different line.

He calls with a draw on the flop and is pretty sure I don't have a flush draw. He is not worried about giving me cheap odds.

If I'm thinking he has a straight on the turn do you check-fold river for $2, $5, $10, $13 or what?