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thing85

03-04-2006, 06:55 PM

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There is nothing higher EV than well organized methodical casino whoring. A bankroll of 100 is enough to start and build into a whorehouse quickly.

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I disagree in some respects. If $100 is all you've got and you've never casino whored before, you could be in for some trouble, especially if you get caught at the crappy end of variance. I know a lot of people who bust out their first bonuses only because they don't have the patience at first (and make higher bets, increasing their RoR). I also disagree that there is "nothing higher EV." Mid to high stakes winning poker players who earn bonuses and rakeback easily can expect to earn more money than a casino whore (in terms of EV/hr). Also, many jobs have a higher EV than casino whoring does.

Packard

03-04-2006, 08:06 PM

thing85, you are definately knowledgeble about your content. Yes there are other things higher EV. I wrote that without previewing. I think we have different interpretations on the words "methodical" and "EV"

Methodical means orderly and systematic which means I am implying that the blackjack player with 100 has to always bet the minimum at Planetluck and must follow the charts exactly.

EV means The sum of the values of a random variable divided by the number of values. This weighted average of a probability distribution. This does not mean only an hourly rate EV/hr. I did not claim casino whoring to be the highest EV/hr.

A blackjack player at Planet with an average run of cards can turn 100 into approximately 195 in one day. Find me anything else that easy and I will be impressed

thing85

03-04-2006, 10:48 PM

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A blackjack player at Planet with an average run of cards can turn 100 into approximately 195 in one day. Find me anything else that easy and I will be impressed

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There are easier ways to make $95 in one day. I don't even think I need to give examples, but I will. For example, a 2BB/hr poker player 4-tabling 3/6 limit hold'em can expect to make $95 in under 4 hours. This does not include bonuses or rakeback.

In speaking of EV, you used it more generally, as in, the "expected value" of casino whoring. In other words, the amount one can reasonably expect to make by casino whoring. This can easily be applied to the "expected value" of a day's work as an entry-level lawyer or the "expected value" of a poker player's 2 hour session (at a given limit, for a given winrate). Your statistical definition of EV is certainly correct, however, that's not how you were using it.

lala

03-04-2006, 11:25 PM

casino bonuses used to be easy but now there are very few basic ones. Many are sticky and/or disallow blackjack, and there can be a lot of variance with sticky or if you have to play VP or especially slots. I'm 2 of out 25 of stickies, so I bust out quite a lot. And the hourly rate is quite low, considering the amount of research and talking to customer service about why your withdrawal won't be approved(after the basic ones that is).

Packard

03-04-2006, 11:32 PM

<font color="green"> </font> There are easier ways to make $95 in one day. I don't even think I need to give examples, but I will. For example, a 2BB/hr poker player 4-tabling 3/6 limit hold'em can expect to make $95 in under 4 hours. This does not include bonuses or rakeback.

We all know that 4-tabling 3/6 can make a lot more than $1 blackjack bets. Remember that this thread is about a player seeking to fund a $100 casino whoring bankroll which is certianly insufficent for 3/6 4-tabling or above.

Playing 50/100 at the Commerce can make more than 4-tabling 3/6 but of course we need a bankroll. I am still eager to find another non casino whoring way to turn 100 into 195 with almost no risk of losing assuming the play is properly conducted.

Packard

03-04-2006, 11:34 PM

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Do people actually make money casino whoring? Sounds really dangerous to me. I was thinking about doing it at planetluck but I don't want to risk my pokerroll

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The answer is yes you can make money /images/graemlins/cool.gif

BigDave

03-05-2006, 12:26 AM

A couple of things:

1. If you want to start of with $100, it is going to be a little boring to do the first handfull of casinos if you want to limit your risk. Betting 1 or 2 dollars a hand for 3 hours a casino is not for everybody. You have to be patient to start out with the small roll. Think of it like starting out playing poker with a 100 dollar roll, it is not like you can jump into 2/4.

2. There are still 4 main casinos that are still very easy to make money from, and then at least 10 monthly casinos that can be played for easy money as well.

3. The real money is with the stickies, but you cant start out playing them without a roll.

thing85

03-05-2006, 01:11 AM

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We all know that 4-tabling 3/6 can make a lot more than $1 blackjack bets. Remember that this thread is about a player seeking to fund a $100 casino whoring bankroll which is certianly insufficent for 3/6 4-tabling or above.

Playing 50/100 at the Commerce can make more than 4-tabling 3/6 but of course we need a bankroll. I am still eager to find another non casino whoring way to turn 100 into 195 with almost no risk of losing assuming the play is properly conducted.

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Well, you did ask me to:

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Find me anything else that easy and I will be impressed

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lala

03-05-2006, 02:33 AM

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3. The real money is with the stickies, but you cant start out playing them without a roll.

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I don't see how this is true, unless you have very positive variance.

Ken_AA

03-05-2006, 03:17 AM

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3. The real money is with the stickies, but you cant start out playing them without a roll.

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I don't see how this is true, unless you have very positive variance.

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Can someone explain sticky betting to me? you get money that you can never cash out, but you do have to risk some of your own money correct?

I will probably never do any, as with my current job I barely make it through the 3 monthy bonuses I do each month but would be interested in some basics on this.

Ken

Barrin6

03-05-2006, 03:46 AM

Well so not anyone should go casino whoring. It's like a whole different world from poker. You gotta learn how to play blackjack correctly.

Oh well back to poker

WLVRYN

03-05-2006, 03:51 AM

Dude, blackjack is about a million times easier to play well than poker. There are strategy cards to follow at many sites including wizardofodds and casinobonuspages.

AcesWired

03-05-2006, 03:55 AM

But it's extremely easy. There isn't much to "learn." You literally follow a chart. I would say casino whoring is a MUCH better way to build a bankroll starting out, just because it is a LOT faster. Assuming you start out at planetluck or starluck, you would get a $100 bonus, and you would have to run REALLY bad to lose even your bonus, let alone your bonus and your deposit. Like someone else said, bet the minimum, follow the chart exactly, and casino whoring is easy, fast money. Probably the easiest and fastest in regards to building a bankroll.

Check out http://www.casinobonuspages.com/.

If you are REALLY nervous about it, I would recommend starting out at William Hill (100% for $80 I think), since I believe you can withdraw your deposit at any time, so if you ran really bad and lose your bonus, you could still cash out your deposit and still be good to go. I'm not 100% on that though, so check it out.

WLVRYN

03-05-2006, 04:05 AM

Or you could do Intercasino. They give you $90 in bonus for a $90 deposit, and you play with the bonus first.

WLVRYN

03-05-2006, 04:06 AM

Ken-

A sticky bonus is a bonus that you can gamble with but cant cash out. Golden Palace is a good example since that's a casino that everyone knows. If you deposit $100 there, they give you a $300 bonus ($400 total). Once you reach your wager requirement and withdraw, they take away $300 from your balance, leaving you with only whatever is left. They are riskier than cashable bonuses because you get no coverage on the HA by a bonus.

There are a few strategies for sticky bonuses. Many players either bust or make a nice score. One is to bet the entire $400 on one hand. If you win, play it like a regular cashable bonus to clear the rest of the WR. If you lose, you are out $100. Most arent fans of that strategy.

Another is to bet a smaller amount on the first hand, say 1/2 or 1/4. This is a better strategy than above because you can still split and double, which reduces the HA a bit.

While not perfect, I usually play bigger bets than I normally would, but not as big as 1/4 (on GP, I would probably play $25 a hand). If I run up a good amount, I stop and drop down to $3 a hand or so to finish out the WR. If not, I make a few desperation bets to get back up and go back to $25 if I make it.

I'm sure others have their own strategies, but whatever you do, you should not flat bet $2 or $3 a hand on a sticky.

BigDave

03-05-2006, 04:46 AM

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3. The real money is with the stickies, but you cant start out playing them without a roll.

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I don't see how this is true, unless you have very positive variance.

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I should have worded that differently. By real money I mean the big money is in the stickies. There is plenty of cash to be made on the cashables as well, but the big paydays are in the stickies.

I guess it depends on your approach. Personally, I grind out cashables and bet big on the stickies. If you play them both the same way then yes you would have to have some incredible variance, but that the thing, you shouldn't play them the same.

I have half a dozen 1200-1500 cashouts on stickies, and nothing close to that on a cashable. I guess if I played a cashable like a sticky, the numbers might be different.

POKhER

03-05-2006, 09:07 AM

i busted on PlanetLuck and Starluck. My bets we're between $1 and $3.

I'd advise you to be paitent and stick to $1 bets. I came out with profit doing $1 bets and $2.

But $3 bets seriously killed my bonus. Varience happens... Dont be a gambler and risk your bankroll on blackjack.

Stick to poker and build it up. I'm bonus whoring for Gf's account hence i had to play these bonuses again /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ken_AA

03-05-2006, 12:27 PM

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A sticky bonus is a bonus that you can gamble with but cant cash out. Golden Palace is a good example since that's a casino that everyone knows. If you deposit $100 there, they give you a $300 bonus ($400 total). Once you reach your wager requirement and withdraw, they take away $300 from your balance, leaving you with only whatever is left. They are riskier than cashable bonuses because you get no coverage on the HA by a bonus.

There are a few strategies for sticky bonuses. Many players either bust or make a nice score. One is to bet the entire $400 on one hand. If you win, play it like a regular cashable bonus to clear the rest of the WR. If you lose, you are out $100. Most arent fans of that strategy.

Another is to bet a smaller amount on the first hand, say 1/2 or 1/4. This is a better strategy than above because you can still split and double, which reduces the HA a bit.

While not perfect, I usually play bigger bets than I normally would, but not as big as 1/4 (on GP, I would probably play $25 a hand). If I run up a good amount, I stop and drop down to $3 a hand or so to finish out the WR. If not, I make a few desperation bets to get back up and go back to $25 if I make it.

I'm sure others have their own strategies, but whatever you do, you should not flat bet $2 or $3 a hand on a sticky.

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Thank you very much. This is what I assumed but thought I might be missing sometihng. Since I do not whore enough each month to run out of cashables (I've been doing it for 3 months now and havn't gotten to eurobet yet) I will be planning on sticking to the cashables.

Ken

lala

03-05-2006, 12:56 PM

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3. The real money is with the stickies, but you cant start out playing them without a roll.

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I don't see how this is true, unless you have very positive variance.

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I should have worded that differently. By real money I mean the big money is in the stickies. There is plenty of cash to be made on the cashables as well, but the big paydays are in the stickies.

I guess it depends on your approach. Personally, I grind out cashables and bet big on the stickies. If you play them both the same way then yes you would have to have some incredible variance, but that the thing, you shouldn't play them the same.

I have half a dozen 1200-1500 cashouts on stickies, and nothing close to that on a cashable. I guess if I played a cashable like a sticky, the numbers might be different.

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I still don't understand, yes when you win a sticky you have a big cashout but you also bust out a lot, so the EV is not so great. Like a 100% bonus up to to $100 has only EV of $50 if you double up. Only if you get lucky does it seem that stickies are more profitable.

thing85

03-05-2006, 01:01 PM

I'm not so sure EV has anything to do with "luck." I think what you're trying to say is that stickies are more profitable, in the short run, if you're running well with variance. An EV of $50 is an EV of $50, take it or leave it. Play enough stickies and you will profit - bottom line.

AcesWired

03-05-2006, 05:06 PM

Think about why they are positive EV. Blackjack is almost a 50/50 game. More like 49/51, but for simplicity's sake, we will say 50/50.

Let's use the example of the $100 deposit and the $300 bonus. In blackjack, you are going to win the hand about half the time. So when you win by betting it all, you pull down $400. When you lose, you lose your $100 deposit. So if you were to play this bonus, say 100 times, you would expect to lose about 50 times for a loss of 5,000, and you would expect to win about 50 times for a win of 20,000. That's a 15 grand profit.

You are risking $100 to win $400. Those are great odds.

thing85

03-05-2006, 05:55 PM

Unfortunately, there aren't many 300% blackjack sticky bonuses.

lala

03-05-2006, 07:07 PM

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Unfortunately, there aren't many 300% blackjack sticky bonuses.

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yeah thats the problem, I can only think of one place. Mostly 100% or 50% I find.

ColdCaller

03-05-2006, 07:59 PM

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Do people actually make money casino whoring? Sounds really dangerous to me. I was thinking about doing it at planetluck but I don't want to risk my pokerroll

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The first rule of Fight Club is that you do not talk about Fight Club.

Seriously. You're going to have a hard time finding any specific information from anyone who is knowledgeable on the subject. Anyone who volunteers information to you should be looked upon suspiciously.

Get your feet wet over at BonusWhores, and do a ton of research. It's taken me over 250 hours to compile a good list and do what I do. You think anyone will just sacrifice that kind of investment?

thing85

03-05-2006, 08:22 PM

Good Fight Club mini-analogy. What you say is indeed correct.

AcesWired

03-05-2006, 08:35 PM

No, but there are numerous ones well over 100%, still making it profitable. A quick glance at casinobonuspages shows over 20 bonuses well over 100%. Some are even cashable. But there are still plenty to take advantage of.

AcesWired

03-05-2006, 08:42 PM

Oh god. Tread carefully at bonuswhores. Bonuswhores is an awesome site for poker, but they made the good board for casino whoring private, and you can't really get into it. On top of that, there are all kinds of misleading posts by assholes trying to confuse newbies and keep them away from casinowhoring. It isn't friendly for someone new AT ALL. Casinobonuspages is really your best bet.

If you are completely lost on how to get started, check out this thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1799549 at SA as a loose guide on how to get started. Like coldcaller said though, don't take anything anyone says as fact and make sure you read the fineprint yourself.

HRFats

03-05-2006, 09:01 PM

Go to CasinoBonusPages for a list of the top 10 and top 100 casinos. They also have a beginners guide, strategy recommendations and a whole lot of other information.

DISCLAIMER - I have NO affiliation with this site. It has helped me bonus whore for a few months now. MUCH better than the Bonus Whores!!

UATrewqaz

03-05-2006, 09:08 PM

I whored my first casino yesterday (Starluck) and finished up $115 ($100 in bonus and $15 in winnings)

I started off doing $1 bets but that was giong to slow and I upped it to $2.. which was still going too slow so I upped it to $3.

Since I was ahead on BJ it was easy to keep upping it (I was up $84 at one point on BJ alone).

Regardless it looks to be pretty easy money, given that the BJ variance doesn't wipe out your bonus.

I'll probably do planetluck next (sister site of Starluck) for another $100 then be done with it.

WLVRYN

03-05-2006, 09:27 PM

Dont quit after those two. There are many other fairly easy cashable bonuses out there to do. PM me if you want more info.

And please dont make this into another bonus whores. Those guys are ridiculous with casino info. If you want help with casinos, PM me and I'd be glad to tell you what I know. A few extra people doing these bonuses wont make them totally dry up.

ColdCaller

03-05-2006, 10:27 PM

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Oh god. Tread carefully at bonuswhores. Bonuswhores is an awesome site for poker, but they made the good board for casino whoring private, and you can't really get into it. On top of that, there are all kinds of misleading posts by assholes trying to confuse newbies and keep them away from casinowhoring. It isn't friendly for someone new AT ALL. Casinobonuspages is really your best bet.

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Yeah, I agree with those sentiments, but as for ground-level research, they are not a bad place to start. I couldn't recommend any other sites because I don't need to do that kind of research anymore (but I still put in 10-20 hours a week of research, because there is a lot of interesting things in the field).

As a side note, the BonusWhores private forum isn't any good either. I had an account there.

hhughes

03-06-2006, 01:32 AM

Semi-hijack...

You kicking arse in Vegas Dave?

lozen

03-06-2006, 11:39 AM

From someone who casino whored for 3 years and than called it quits as the wagering requirements are to high now or the sites with the good bonuses. ie planetluck, starluck are rigged. If your thinking of casino whoring now DONT YOU WILL LOOSE. Trust me there is nothing in the private area you are missing.

ColdCaller

03-06-2006, 11:45 AM

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From someone who casino whored for 3 years and than called it quits as the wagering requirements are to high now or the sites with the good bonuses. ie planetluck, starluck are rigged. If your thinking of casino whoring now DONT YOU WILL LOOSE.

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Hahahahahahaha.

Now seriously, there is no need for blatant misinformation. Things have certainly tightened up, but very few casinos are rigged, and there are plenty of places to still work off of.

lozen

03-06-2006, 01:55 PM

Name them? Ill give you Intercasino plus one of there Other language Inters. Other than that??? Many no longer allow Blackjack or Pontoon. A few are worth trying as do or dies also.

ColdCaller

03-06-2006, 01:57 PM

Casino-on-Net
Carnival Group
Plenty of Microgaming Casinos
Starluck/Planetluck
Plenty of Boss Media casinos
etc, etc.

AncientPC

03-06-2006, 02:24 PM

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Casino-on-Net
Carnival Group
Plenty of Microgaming Casinos
Starluck/Planetluck
Plenty of Boss Media casinos
etc, etc.

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Seconded. I casino whore on the side and have made a very healthy profit. Cashing out is sometimes a big hassle though.

lozen

03-06-2006, 05:15 PM

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Casino-on-Net Banned
Carnival Group
Plenty of Microgaming Casinos
Starluck/Planetluck Banned on BJ
Plenty of Boss Media casinos Banned
etc, etc.

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Made a killing off CON and Boss and loved starluck and planetluck as there are patterns.

Heck I can remember playing AOL,Clepatras and the group for 100 for 100 and 2x wagering /images/graemlins/smile.gif They would always western union your winnings.

Any of you guys do Cryptos? Will give you the trick on beating the wagering req?

lala

03-06-2006, 05:18 PM

delete

Reef

03-06-2006, 06:58 PM

casino whoring is a dying industry. was super saturated and abused (still is). I used to play at casinos a lot but T&C have become so crappy recently that poker >>>>>>>> casinos

lozen

03-07-2006, 12:14 AM

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casino whoring is a dying industry. was super saturated and abused (still is). I used to play at casinos a lot but T&C have become so crappy recently that poker >>>>>>>> casinos

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Agreed and boy Reef rings a bell from Fatbonus I do believe

froggy527

03-07-2006, 05:58 AM

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And please dont make this into another bonus whores.

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I agree strongly with this!!! You can get some good
info by going through the posts. But you have to wade
through the sludge left by a large group of bottom feeders,
who like to hide behind their keyboard and flame anybody
and everybody! I don't think that there's any moderators
over there, and the sorry state of their forums shows it!