$25NL TPGK takes passive line to bluff catch river

[friskyfleabag]

Villain is 15/10/2 over 300 hands with a 70% c-bet frequency and a river aggression factor of 4 (I know it's a relatively small sample size, but meh). Thoughts?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($24.30)
SB ($8.64)
Hero ($56.74)
UTG ($18.80)
MP ($24.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $1.8</font>, Hero calls $1.80.

Turn: ($5.70) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($5.70) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

Final Pot: $13.70

[friskyfleabag]

bump

[prodonkey]

fold or 3 bet preflop. as played ugh.. I prolly call 90% of the time and get shown AQ/Q9 or 2 pair.

[Ranma4703]

I like your play on every street. Above advice is weak tight - you have a vastly under represented hand, I expect to see a bluff here at least 50% of the time, much more than the ~30% you need.

[Nogatsira]

How is prodonkeys advice weak/tight?

[21SuicideKing21]

yeah this is a good time to 3bet here PF against this type of player. As played, I would call here on river, but you're going to be beat by the hands that prodonkey posted.

[friskyfleabag]

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yeah this is a good time to 3bet here PF against this type of player. As played, I would call here on river, but you're going to be beat by the hands that prodonkey posted.

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I don't really see the logic in this. If I 3-bet preflop against this kind of player (semi nitty TAG) and he flat calls, on the same flop I'm still not gonna know where I stand, and the pot is going to be 3 times the size. Playing this kind of hand OOP in a 3-bet pot is going to cost us a lot of money to find out that we're beat if this is the case, and if he has nothing he's going to most likely fold to the c-bet, so we'll end up making less money from the hand than in the way that I played it.

If I 3-bet preflop and then c-bet this flop and he calls, the pot is going to be ~$15, which would set up an extremely crappy spot for the turn and river in essentially what is a WA/WB situation.

[RockRattler]

I think you played it ok.

I don't mind 3bet pf and firing most flops.

FWIW - if I was villain I would expect to get called by A high on the river and would v-bet always.

[djj6835]

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fold or 3 bet preflop

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This doesn't really make any sense to me for this particular hand against this villain. If you are 3 betting is it a bluff? Is it for value? If it is a bluff it isn't a very good one and if it is for value then surely calling can't be bad.

[IJackit]

I don't like 3 betting this guy either.

If you are called AQ and AK are about half of his range and you have helped build a pot with him while you are out of position.

OP I like how you played this hand.

[slush420]

I like it. I don't think the debate would be calling/3betting but moreso calling/folding as he will generally call with better hands and fold worse ones. if he's a blind stealer it's an easy call but if he generally raises the same % from every position it's probably a fold.

[djj6835]

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I don't like 3 betting this guy either.

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FWIW I wasn't saying 3 betting is bad, just that if 3 betting is good folding can't be good.

[IJackit]

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FWIW I wasn't saying 3 betting is bad, just that if 3 betting is good folding can't be good.

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You don't 3 bet pots exclusively for value.

[djj6835]

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FWIW I wasn't saying 3 betting is bad, just that if 3 betting is good folding can't be good.


[/ QUOTE ] You don't 3 bet pots exclusively for value.

[/ QUOTE ] Well I also said if you are 3 betting here against this guy as a bluff it isn't a very good bluff.

[IJackit]

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Well I also said if you are 3 betting here against this guy as a bluff it isn't a very good bluff.

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If you are 3 betting in this spot, against this opponent, it is a bluff IMO