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ChulioBarth
10-16-2007, 06:22 PM
No reads. What's the line? How can I extract the most of him?

Titan Poker 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter (http://www.talking-poker.com/hands/converter.aspx) at Talking-Poker (http://www.talking-poker.com)

Button prefectp ($33.22)
SB zenux06 ($61.30)
BB DrRot ($50.00)
UTG sparktanus112 ($113.47)
UTG+1 Hero ($63.82)
CO MaldiniWins ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K /images/graemlins/heart.gif K /images/graemlins/spade.gif
1 fold, Hero raises to 2.00, 3 folds, Villain calls 1.50.

Flop (4.25) 9 /images/graemlins/club.gif J /images/graemlins/club.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
DrRot checks, Hero bets 3.00, Villain raises to 9.50, Hero ?
Phytopath
10-16-2007, 06:42 PM
Wow this is a crappy spot without a read. I re-raise here against iPoker donkeys, the average player at these levels will C/R you here with all sorts of Top pair, pair+draw type hands.
wslee00
10-16-2007, 06:42 PM
what do you mean by extracting the most? he c/r'ed you on a board that he would have to assume probably hit you. I think you're looking at two pair or better most of the time, w/ the occasional combo draw.

W/ no reads, I'm probably folding this until I see him making c/r moves like this more often.
EMc
10-16-2007, 06:44 PM
I hate this spot. A lot. I feel so weak if I fold here, so stupid if I call or raise.
pdiggz
10-16-2007, 07:15 PM
call, reevaluate on the turn.
Milky
10-16-2007, 07:19 PM
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I hate this spot. A lot. I feel so weak if I fold here, so stupid if I call or raise.

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Agreed, this is a really tough spot. If you had some stats on villain it would be another story, but against an unknown I just don't think you're good enough here. It's a toss up, but I think a fold is best against an unknown.

I'd mess with pokerstove for this one but I'm at work.
Numfar
10-16-2007, 07:33 PM
The way to extract the most is to push because he won't fold - sadly he will usually be ahead.

I too hate these spots and I often call but I think that's the wrong play. Its a raise or fold. We have to decide whether we are ahead or behind now and we can't give a free card because he could have so many draws, combos, etc.

I think it's a fold. If we are ahead its not by which and if we are behind we are drawing to a maximum of 6 outs - often less.