$500 bankroll: Where to next?

[Sampson26]

I started my bankroll at UB and cleared my approximately $70 bonus and just cashed out with $500 after some grinding and running hot.

I am at an impasse now, since i want to move up limits to .25/.50 (NL) but the only action at UB are jackpot tables with an extra 50 cents taken out of each hand. So i obviously need a new site(s).

Basically as an American what are my best options for quality and quantity of games and bonuses, and is it best to spread the 500 on a few different rooms.

The full tilt 100% bonus looks attractive, but is it realistic to earn 500 through it playing a mix of .10/.25 and .25/.50? Thanks in advance for any advice you guys might have.

[hallo!]

yes Full Tilt is ok. I have cleared 100 of the 600 $ in 12k hands NL25, so you should do better. If you get also rakeback, then its even better

and if you are looking, you always find some fish

[99killed]

why anyone plays any where else but stars is beyond me. i know RB blah blah blah. stars VIP is the same.

stars checks take 5 bus. days. FTP 30.
stars customer service responds in 5 minutes, FTP ??.

stars ftw.

[kooze]

deposit on stars. although you cannot get rakeback, you can get other sign-up bonuses. The Stars 100% bonus up to $50 kicks in a t500 FPP's. My affiliate offered a $50 bonus at 100 FPP's. The bonuses are stacked- after you earn the 1st you can earn the 2nd. i.e.- the stars bonus still kicks in at 500 fpp's. earn both and then move $600 to FT and earn their bonus. Yuo can earn the entire FT bonus at .10/.25- see bonuswhores.com for more info.

gl at the tables

[Casper0]

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why anyone plays any where else but stars is beyond me. i know RB blah blah blah. stars VIP is the same.

stars checks take 5 bus. days. FTP 30.
stars customer service responds in 5 minutes, FTP ??.

stars ftw.

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I play micros so take this for what you will.

butttt...

Not to knock on FTP because I quite like their software but I played about 15K hands there recently and made a significant amount of RB for micros. (probably ~$500)

I also played about 15K hands at Pokerstars recently and made 2000 FPP points which can buy me a Greg Raymer poster.

You do the math.

[Greg Miller]

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why anyone plays any where else but stars is beyond me. i know RB blah blah blah. stars VIP is the same.

stars checks take 5 bus. days. FTP 30.
stars customer service responds in 5 minutes, FTP ??.

stars ftw.

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I play micros so take this for what you will.

butttt...

Not to knock on FTP because I quite like their software but I played about 15K hands there recently and made a significant amount of RB for micros. (probably ~$500)

I also played about 15K hands at Pokerstars recently and made 2000 FPP points which can buy me a Greg Raymer poster.

You do the math.

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Realistically, it's hard to compare Stars vs. FTP with the information given by the OP, because FTP gives flat rakeback that works out to a little less than 27% of your rake, while Stars varies from less than 10% to more than 35%, depending on volume and stakes, and we don't have any info on monthly volume here.

In any case, a $50 NL player would do considerably better in your example. How well depends on whether it's 15k hands per month, 15k per year, or 15k in his lifetime.

[WiSeIVIaN]

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why anyone plays any where else but stars is beyond me. i know RB blah blah blah. stars VIP is the same.

stars checks take 5 bus. days. FTP 30.
stars customer service responds in 5 minutes, FTP ??.

stars ftw.

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I play micros so take this for what you will.

butttt...

Not to knock on FTP because I quite like their software but I played about 15K hands there recently and made a significant amount of RB for micros. (probably ~$500)

I also played about 15K hands at Pokerstars recently and made 2000 FPP points which can buy me a Greg Raymer poster.

You do the math.

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Realistically, it's hard to compare Stars vs. FTP with the information given by the OP, because FTP gives flat rakeback that works out to a little less than 27% of your rake, while Stars varies from less than 10% to more than 35%, depending on volume and stakes, and we don't have any info on monthly volume here.

In any case, a $50 NL player would do considerably better in your example. How well depends on whether it's 15k hands per month, 15k per year, or 15k in his lifetime.

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Even if its 15k hands a month at 50NL your not gonna come close to supernova, and even you got supernova it would be at least a bit under 20%. And even it it was 30% and he was a supernova elite (both of these are completely unrealistic, the FTP Bonus+rakeback is 60% rakeback total, which means realisticly via bonus+rakeback he is getting about 5x more back at FTP then he would at stars(while clearing the $600 bonus which releases in $20 increments). Even in the best case (completely impossible) scenario OP would still get twice the total rake back via fulltilt over stars.

Take that for what you will i guess...

[bigblackbuddha]

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Not to knock on FTP because I quite like their software but I played about 15K hands there recently and made a significant amount of RB for micros. (probably ~$500)

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You made $500 in rb playing only 15k hands at micros...?

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Yuo can earn the entire FT bonus at .10/.25- see bonuswhores.com for more info.

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Just how accurate are those clearing times posted at bonuswhores? Anyone have an idea if they are actually a good way to gauge how long it will take?

[WiSeIVIaN]

They are more accurate then randomly guessing i suppose...

[freecard4all]

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Just how accurate are those clearing times posted at bonuswhores? Anyone have an idea if they are actually a good way to gauge how long it will take?

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divide by 2 or 3 (sometimes more) and you are good to go
Depends on site (more for F games) and your style (more for TAGs) and method (more for contributed)

[Bobo Fett]

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Just how accurate are those clearing times posted at bonuswhores? Anyone have an idea if they are actually a good way to gauge how long it will take?

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divide by 2 or 3 (sometimes more) and you are good to go
Depends on site (more for F games) and your style (more for TAGs) and method (more for contributed)

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Divide by 2 or 3??? I haven't played FT for a long time, I guess you could be right but I find that figure hard to believe.

In my experience the BW clearing times are generally on the high side...but usually only by about 10-30% (at least for 0.50/1-3/6 FL). Once in a blue moon they're even low. I remember back when UB actually had decent clearing terms they were low there...probably because the hands are dealt fairly quickly at UB.

[orlov]

Id recommend you doing bodog over pso, if you deposit the whole 500 its an easy and fast to clear 140dollar bonus and youll also make 100times as much playin in fish pond bodog than at full tilt(id say nl25/50 bodog = nl10 ft, just stay away from full tilt if you actually wanna find fish)

[thisnamedoesntfi]

Concur on the Bodog fish, I only play PLO, but the play was very loose and fishy compared to other sites I have played. The instant 10% means you can freeroll with the bonus straight away.

[freecard4all]

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Divide by 2 or 3??? I haven't played FT for a long time, I guess you could be right but I find that figure hard to believe.

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I re-checked the Full Tilt and the Hourly Rate for the Full Tilt Signup Bonus is a little bit more than total rake paid per player at tables I played.
i.e. the 100% rakeback would be a little less than what BW states as a "bonus rate" (actually 66% rakeback)

[WiSeIVIaN]

Well in actuality you will get around 42% rakeback from the fulltilt bonus at 6-max and another 18% via rakeback, therefore about 60% rakeback at 6-max regardless of what the bonuswhores chart says.

[ADK]

whats everest bonus like?

[Greg Miller]

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Even if its 15k hands a month at 50NL your not gonna come close to supernova, and even you got supernova it would be at least a bit under 20%. And even it it was 30% and he was a supernova elite (both of these are completely unrealistic, the FTP Bonus+rakeback is 60% rakeback total, which means realisticly via bonus+rakeback he is getting about 5x more back at FTP then he would at stars(while clearing the $600 bonus which releases in $20 increments). Even in the best case (completely impossible) scenario OP would still get twice the total rake back via fulltilt over stars.

Take that for what you will i guess...

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How do you go from me saying that a $50 NL player will come much closer to FTP's rakeback rate to me saying that he'd be a SuperNova pulling down more from the VIP program than from a combo of bonus+rakeback? Wow.

And not that it's all that relevant, but how would a SuperNova Elite be only getting 30%? In previous threads, people have reported that $50 NL is the sweet spot and people get something like 34% at $100 NL.

[stackemgood]

cakepoker offers 100% bonus thats easy to clear. that would be one way to go!

[Casper0]

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Not to knock on FTP because I quite like their software but I played about 15K hands there recently and made a significant amount of RB for micros. (probably ~$500)

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You made $500 in rb playing only 15k hands at micros...?

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Yuo can earn the entire FT bonus at .10/.25- see bonuswhores.com for more info.

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Just how accurate are those clearing times posted at bonuswhores? Anyone have an idea if they are actually a good way to gauge how long it will take?

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my apologies.

I recalculated and realized my RB over those 15K hands equaled closer to just over $300.

Regardless it is still significantly more than what my 2000FPP over the same amount of hands at PSTARS can get me (A Greg Raymer Poster).

As for clearance times.

I would be confident that you could clear the full $600 bonus at FT in under 20K hands at .25.50

Casper.