NL 25 Should I go for turn check raise as well??

[Mr_Pathetic]

I did not raise pre-flop because I am deep and others are as well and this is not a hand to play deep in a big pot. However everyone at the table is your typical Sunday night warrior. So the question is after check raising the flop and getting two calls should I go ahead and check raise the turn is well? also if you might bet what size?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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UTG: $33.50
CO: $42.70
BTN: $30.25
Hero (SB): $42.95
BB: $6.20

Pre-Flop: Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1) Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 6http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $0.75</font>, CO calls $0.75, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $2.25, CO calls $2.25

Turn: ($10) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 Players)
Hero????

[vixticator]

Don't c/r flop. It's unraised pot and you can't expect someone to bet. Need to get value now. Same thing once you take the lead by raising, no one in their right mind (but still quite a few 25nl players) would bet if you checked this.

[Mr_Pathetic]

two of these villains play their draws aggressively which is why I checked on the flop. if I felt like they would not call a check raise with the draw or weak ace I would have bet out for sure as they would surely call a flop bet. I am just trying to avoid always falling into the bet bet bet line with a big hand.

[vixticator]

[ QUOTE ]
two of these villains play their draws aggressively which is why I checked on the flop. if I felt like they would not call a check raise with the draw or weak ace I would have bet out for sure as they would surely call a flop bet. I am just trying to avoid always falling into the bet bet bet line with a big hand.

[/ QUOTE ]That doesn't make any sense. You want thim to call with draw or weak Ace.

[hoyasaxa]

agreed. you need to bet out on the flop, and you really need to bet this turn and not let draws get a free card.

[Rinksters]

I'd make a big bet, pot-sized or 3/4 or something. If someone has a set, you are done for (ie. losing your stack). But no point in checking and allowing the flush card to get there or for someone to get two pair with AK. Someone could easily be drawing to a flush with wonky cards given that u didn't raise preflop. If Ax wants to try to hit 2nd pair, make them pay!

[Mr_Pathetic]

What I am trying to say is they will for sure call a bet with a draw or weaker ace but I also think they will bet those hands and call a raise due to how I play. I am check raising to get more value than I would get from betting. neither one of these guys are going to fold whether I check raise or bet out so the question is will they call the flop check raise and bet the turn if I check thinkin I was bluffing and therefore allowing me to obtain more value than betting the turn which turns my hand into one that is very strong. also I do not think I can get a worse hand to call me if I bet turn unless they slow played a big ace or have a lower two pair or a set since check raising flop and leading turn looks incredibly strong.

Edit: neither one of these guys is taking a free card with a FD they will bet it so it is pretty safe to say they will bet AK as well. If I remember correctly one of the villains is same one who c/r me big with a OESD on a dry board and I called him with TPGK. in case it doesn't look this way I do feel that bet bet bet is the a better line in this case but I have been wondering if it is better to check raise people who will play their draws very aggressively

[vixticator]

[ QUOTE ]
What I am trying to say is they will for sure call a bet with a draw or weaker ace but I also think they will bet those hands and call a raise due to how I play. I am check raising to get more value than I would get from betting. neither one of these guys are going to fold whether I check raise or bet out

[/ QUOTE ]Oh, I see. If you know they are that bad I have no problem with it per se. Just don't make it a habit. I'll do this rarely but opponent needs to be a lagtard.

[Mr_Pathetic]

also I would like to apologize for really sucking to convey my thoughts in the original post

[trontron]

with your reads, flop is fine. but lead turn (around 8)

[Mr_Pathetic]

okay so here is the rest of the hand. My next question is should I check river to induce a bluff Or just go ahead and bet since any ace would probably make a call?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com)Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

UTG: $33.50
CO: $42.70
BTN: $30.25
Hero (SB): $42.95
BB: $6.20

Pre-Flop: Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1) Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 6http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $0.75</font>, CO calls $0.75, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $2.25, CO calls $2.25

Turn: ($10) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6.50</font>, UTG calls $6.50, CO folds

River: ($23) 6http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
Hero?

[vixticator]

How much does UTG have? I consider value push at this point even if it's for slightly more than he has left.

[DGDolly]

If you are putting them on a draw, you have to bet this hand now. Betting is a show of strength, but check/raising twice in one hand makes it look even stronger. Would you ever check raise twice as a bluff in a hand?

So basically your check raise is NEVER getting called by a draw, where as if you bet, you might get a call from a draw AND any ace.