10nl Really weird flop spot

[Wilpro]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (CO): $9.80
BTN: $17.60
SB: $9.80
BB: $2.95
UTG: $9.25

Pre-Flop: A/images/graemlins/club.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $0.35, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.60) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.50</font>, BB calls $0.50, <font color="red">UTG raises to $8.85 and is All-In</font>, Hero ??



<font color="white"> folds, SB calls $8.35, BB folds

Turn: ($19.80) Qh (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($19.80) Tc (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $19.80 Pot ($0.95 Rake)
SB showed Ks Qd (a straight, Nine to King) and WON $18.85 (+$9.60 NET)
UTG mucked 8s 7d and LOST (-$9.25 NET) <font color="white"> </font> </font>

Such a weird hand, result is in white. What would people do onj flop.

[iheartponeez]

Shove.

Aces with the redraw is a hand I'm almost certainly putting it all-in with.

[Wilpro]

I am thinking during the hand, that someone has the flush. If they do, this leaves a maximum of 7 more hearts in the deck, which are all my outs. Over 2 streets i have 14 chances to take the lead, surely calling is -ev?

[ghostface]

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I am thinking during the hand, that someone has the flush. If they do, this leaves a maximum of 7 more hearts in the deck, which are all my outs. Over 2 streets i have 14 chances to take the lead, surely calling is -ev?

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Reads would help.

[Schiester]

Could this also be a scared set?

[iheartponeez]

It could be any number of hands trying to protect themselves. I also think it's a fallacy to assume that someone is sitting there with 2 hearts since all you've seen is a shove and a couple of small calls.

[Wilpro]

No reads just sat and 4th hand played, even if it is scared set, doesn't there being 2 others in hand make a huge difference?

[iheartponeez]

If you shove, the others behind you are now probably getting worried. Since they see two people throwing stacks in. I think shoving here isolates UTG with your hand being pretty damn good.

[Sniiii]

I had pretty much the same hand today, and ended up folding to a 7$ raise on flop. I think it's +ev folding here, but I'm not sure.

[rwejr]

ALL IN!

[Wilpro]

Actually quite happy i folded. First time i have properly really thought through a hand. If i am assuming someone probably has a flush here, or even a flush draw, they can take away 2 more of my outs by having the straight flush draw.
Looking for more constructive critism on my thought process' please.

[Shattered]

Fold. Villain isn't doing this with a hand you beat except maybe the J with the K of hearts or JQ. I expect to see made straights, flushes, and sets much more often.

[iheartponeez]

"If i am assuming someone probably has a flush here..."

Why are you doing that? You have the Ace of hearts. The Jack and Ten are on the table. That leaves the Q and K as the ones left you're likely to see. Do you think someone went in preflop on this hand with Q8s? K4s? I don't understand what process is leading to the assumption that someone has 2 hearts, since we see almost all the playable hearts out there already.

"or even a flush draw..."

Then you are way ahead.

"they can take away 2 more of my outs by having the straight flush draw."

Yes, straight flushes are so rare. It's hard to play scared of them.

You WANT people on the draw, your flush draw is way ahead of any other. The only thing you don't want is a made flush, or straight, but since A,J,T of hearts is all on the board...I don't know what heart-heart hands you're worried about.


That's how I'm seeing this hand. I want to know if this is off.

[Numfar]

Need reads. If I think that SB &amp;/or BB will come along then its an easy call or if I know that UTG is very laggy then its an easy call. Without those reads its a fold - UTG could easily be ahead (he can't have the NFD so a strong hand that is scared of the flush is likely) and you aren't getting the pot odds to draw.