Profitable lines against very-aggressive players when OOP

[absoludicrous]

Ever find yourself OOP against a loose/aggtard (40/18/4), usually in the SB or UTG with a big pair, and have flopped a set on an AKx flop?

When I'm in this situation, I'm trying very hard to come up with a bluff-weak line in hopes villain will raise, or lead.

This is typically something like a standard c-bet (since I c-bet 90% of the time), and then shutting down on the turn, making it look like I have nothing, and gave up.

However, this puts us in a very tricky spot on the turn. If we lead, he folds, unless it's like 1/4 pot. If we check/raise, he almost always folds, unless he actually has a hand.

So, with that, what are the most profitable lines to take given out situation?

I will try and dig up some hands after I'm done 20 tabling.

Feel free to post hands of your own where you've extracted the max from an over-agg villain trying to knock you off a big hand.

[buttonpusher]

I guess i usually just cont. bet like i usually would and pretend to shut down on the turn. That usually gets a decent bet out of the villain and i just raise/shove depending on pot size.
Unless the villain actually has a hand I think any line gets the villain all in, but i've found the cont. bet/shutdown on turn to squeeze out some value most of the time.
I will soemtimes try a check/call the the flop and check/raise turn as that can work as well

[absoludicrous]

Compare the two lines:
1. C-bet/Check-Raise or Call
2. C-bet/Weak turn lead

Our weak turn lead is something like 1/4 pot, giving villain room to bluff.

Thoughts?

[buttonpusher]

Just thought about it a bit more, I think I like the 2nd line better. I haven't used it much before but I think it will do well against a very agg. player that shuts down when we are betting strong.

[mrpotto]

This might be sacrilege but I sometime bet like 1/3 pot if I flop a set and there are no draws. This often will induce a raise to which I might just call. The weak 1/3 pot bet could be viewed as a weak probe donk bet causing the lagtard to spring into lagtard action...........

[absoludicrous]

Personally, there's nothing wrong with getting a little FPS when the flop is dry enough to warrant it.

[mrpotto]

What does FPS mean?

[buttonpusher]

first person shooter obv.
seriously though, no idea.

[TTStrangler]

Fancy Play Syndrome

I assume OP is referring to mrpotto's line, or at least playing it weak/probey trying to induce a raise

[buttonpusher]

ahh, that makes sense.

[ev_slave]

[ QUOTE ]
What does FPS mean?

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Fancy Play Syndrome.

Here's a hand against a Lag that's not a set (TPGK) but worked fine using Line 2. Results in white below (highlight to see them).

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players
Converter (http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter)

Stack sizes:
UTG: $11.30
CO: $11
Button: $8.50
Hero: $9.90
BB: $14.40

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif
UTG folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $0.45</font>, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif ($1.1, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $1.1</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 4/images/graemlins/club.gif ($3.3, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $2.1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $8.35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button calls all-in $4.85</font>.
Uncalled bets: $1.4 returned to Hero.

River: 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif ($17.2, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $17.2)


Results:
Final pot: $17.2
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Kd Qd</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Button showed Ad 9c</font>

The best part was the villain's name was some version of "Ship it you fish." After the hand I typed into the chatter "Ship it!" and everyone contributed their "lol"s and villain left all pissed.

[buttonpusher]

i prefer to say nh and hope they reload

[Chxdgt]

I prefer line two. I don't want to stray too far away from how someone would play a weaker made hand.

Here's a hand I played this past weekend.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com)Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

UTG: $14.45
CO: $7.65
BTN: $13.10
Hero (SB): $11.65
BB: $12.40

Pre-Flop: Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $0.10, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.50</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.10) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.70</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $1.40</font>, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($3.90) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $8.80</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.75 and is All-In</font>, UTG calls $0.95

River: ($23.40) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $23.40 Pot ($1.15 Rake)
<font color="white">UTG mucked Ks Qc and LOST (-$11.65 NET)
Hero showed Qh Qd (a full house, Queens full of Nines) and WON $22.25 (+$10.60 NET)</font>

[hoyasaxa]

if an opponent is aggro my line is check raise all day, with pairs/sets/draws/air