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KCrow
10-15-2007, 11:11 AM
Villain is 19/6/1.64

Shove/fold or call? I think I should have bet about $12-14 on the turn.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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BTN: $98.20
SB: $15.30
BB: $108.10
UTG: $48.85
Hero (MP): $67.90
CO: $56.10

Pre-Flop: Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, UTG calls $5

Turn: ($15.75) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $20</font>, Hero?

TheRenaissance
10-15-2007, 11:17 AM
Folding is not an option, as villain easily could have a lower set. In fact, I think that is his most likely holding. I'd just shove turn before another heart falls/villain rivers quads.

1tripz1
10-15-2007, 11:19 AM
No.

What hands beat us? If he has flopped a flush then so be it. If for some reasons he has 68 then so be it.

You need to get it all in here and you will usually be very happy about it.

Aceium
10-15-2007, 11:22 AM
I don't like folding QQ here. The thing that villan does have going for him is his really low AF. We're not thinking that the 9 helped him because we're mostly ruling out him playing something like 68 for a raise PF. I probably would have bet more on the turn as well, if they want to chase with the A or K of hearts then they have to pay for it. That and you would like to win the hand right here because the board isn't very hospitable to your hand.

When he minraises on the turn this indicates that he liked his hand on the flop. If you reraise him here and he comes over the top, you probably have to fold your hand. I like calling here and firing on a non-heart river. This is kind of a tough spot but I don't think that just a minraise constitutes folding top set.

TheRenaissance
10-15-2007, 11:25 AM
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If you reraise him here and he comes over the top, you probably have to fold your hand.

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Stack sizes.

catoandtonic
10-15-2007, 11:25 AM
If we assume villain has AhXh, we are layed roughly 1:4.7 odds and are roughly 1:4.6 to make our hand. Folding isnt an option. Call or push.

I would just shove if I was playing. Villain could have 55 or 77 or maybe even 9h9x. I dont really fold sets unless its a 4 flush or 4 straight board.