What do i do here on the flop? 25nl

[Thuey11]

PokerStars Game #12599230429: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/10/13 - 06:57:30 (ET)
Table 'Genua' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: inwooke ($45.15 in chips)
Seat 2: tafm ($25.55 in chips)
Seat 3: sunsiare ($39.80 in chips)
Seat 4: peterdorre ($7.50 in chips)
Seat 5: mrnino888 ($15.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Thuey11 ($23.30 in chips)
Thuey11: posts small blind $0.10
inwooke: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Thuey11 [Qh Qs]
tafm: folds
sunsiare: folds
peterdorre: raises $0.50 to $0.75
mrnino888: raises $0.75 to $1.50
Thuey11: calls $1.40
inwooke: folds
peterdorre: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d 9c 9h]
Thuey11: checks
mrnino888: bets $2.25
Thuey11: ????????????

[Spurious]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($45.15)
UTG ($25.55)
MP ($39.80)
CO ($7.50)
Button ($15.40)
Hero ($23.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO folds.

Flop: ($4) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="red"> Button bets 2.25$</font>, Hero...?

[Spurious]

I hope i converted it right..
Please use some converter next time, it's easier to help you.

I'd 4bet pf and fold to a strong 5bet

On flop is guess it's WA/WB.
Call down and fold to any strong bets.

[ShipitFMA]

i probalby 4bet pf, but in these spots if i have TT+ here i generally just CC. No worse hands are calling and they may continue to bet. just sucks we're OOP.

BTW you didnt give me a shoutout at the tables :&lt;

[trixter23]

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i probalby 4bet pf, but in these spots if i have TT+ here i generally just CC. No worse hands are calling and they may continue to bet. just sucks we're OOP.

BTW you didnt give me a shoutout at the tables :&lt;

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I agree with 4 bet pf, but not with just cc'ing the rest of the way, how do u play the rest of the hand out if say, turn comes 3, river comes 2 and villain bets 2/3 pot each street.

[YanP]

i think i 4-bet a lot here, if its been 3 bet up to about 3$ preflop i might just call, but hate calling with QQ for set value. on the flop a raise could be in order, he's made a fairly weak flop lead and if you put in a nice raise here you can take the pot or find out if he's got a hand. you'd probably lose the least here making a flop raise than check calling down

[Spurious]

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BTW you didnt give me a shoutout at the tables :&lt;

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sorry i recognized you but closed the table immediately, didnt wanna mess around with regs /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Rafpig]

I would make a good raise pre-flop and call an all-in. Notice that both your opponents do not have a full buy-in. For those who suggested raising pre-flop and folding to a 5-bet, I don´t see how you can fold QQ in NL-25 to a guy who has only 15 bucks. The flop was good for your hand, I would raise, it will be difficult to play OOP if you just call.

[kroeliewoelie]

I agree with RAfpig

[Dallas Dru]

i agree 4 bet/ lay down a strong push..
as of flop c/c
if he gives up on the turn fire on the river

[Thuey11]

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i probalby 4bet pf, but in these spots if i have TT+ here i generally just CC. No worse hands are calling and they may continue to bet. just sucks we're OOP.

BTW you didnt give me a shoutout at the tables :&lt;

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Hey ship, u were at my tables???? What's your pstars screen name? Anyways on the hand I raised the flop to 6.75 and folded to a shove...he showed KK but i still think i misplayed the hand. BTW how is 50nl compared to 25nl, i'm gonna move up pretty soon.

[vixticator]

Both in pot are short. I'm moving in after minraise 3bet and expect to get called by 66+ because they put me on AK.

[CruS]

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Both in pot are short. I'm moving in after minraise 3bet and expect to get called by 66+ because they put me on AK.

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Yes, recognize you are only risking 15$ here and in 25NL I pretty much want to get it in w/ QQ any time PF vs a 15$ stack, and now you face two shorties.

[SPQR]

Why does stack of villain matter? 3bet pf means JJ+ a lot of times - doesn't it? I don't want to be up against that. Can someone explain how I should think?

[DockDD]

SPQR: Until proven otherwise, I consider people who buy-in short or let their stacks get below ~75-80% of a full buy in to be poor players. Button also makes a min raise. Sometimes you'll see JJ+ of course, but both of their ranges are far wider. I'd be happy to get AIPF so I'd raise PF. I'd check-raise as played, since I trapped him.

Aside: I don't have a lot of time to table select, so I'll often join a few tables at min/default buy-in, then top off after an orbit or two has given me some reads on the players. I think a lot of players could benefit by doing this, though we'd lose all the "no reads, stack off w/ TPTK?" posts.

[willyc]

Make it 4.50 preflop with the intention of calling a shove.

Raise to 7 on the flop and call a shove.

If we're up against a full stack then probably fold to a 5-bet preflop and fold to a 4-bet on the flop.

I really hate calling down out of position. You give him the chance to shut down if he's holding Ax/Kx and doesn't spike TP on the turn/river, or to keep going if he does.

[Bonk]

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I would make a good raise pre-flop and call an all-in. Notice that both your opponents do not have a full buy-in. For those who suggested raising pre-flop and folding to a 5-bet, I don´t see how you can fold QQ in NL-25 to a guy who has only 15 bucks. The flop was good for your hand, I would raise, it will be difficult to play OOP if you just call.

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Agree with most parts except that I don't think it's such a good flop for your hand because JJ shutdowns on turn and AA will just shove it. I have a feeling that calling down here is -EV unless villain is spewy. Whenever I find myself in this situation I'm against KK+ almost always.