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Rafpig
10-12-2007, 09:36 PM
Button is 32/17/4. BB is tight.

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MP ($3.85)
Button ($25.80)
Hero ($36.70)
BB ($108.35)
UTG ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $1.75.

Standard 3-bet, but I think I should have made it at least 3 bucks, especially since from his stats we can deduce he will call me somewhat lighter than general.

Flop: ($5.25) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.75</font>, Button calls $3.75.

Monotone flop with medium pair. I guess I have to make a c-bet here. I also could easily have the best hand.

Turn: ($12.75) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ??

Now comes my real doubt. What should I do? I guess I could check, hoping for a cheap showdown and folding to a strong bet. Or I could try to represent the A and bet something like $8. What would you do?

Jailblazers
10-12-2007, 10:10 PM
Eh...that is not a standard 3bet preflop but actually a fold because you do not have position on him. Lead on the flop was pretty weak because I don't think he is going to fold with any hand he has here given that he is loose. As played, check-fold. You really need position in these spots.

Also, representing an A would not really be a good idea because he is coming along with any high club, and again, he is loose so you have little fold equity. Double barreling here is spew IMO.

Rafpig
10-12-2007, 10:16 PM
I meant this is a standard 3-bet light. Of course I canīt do it all the time, but this is a good spot to vary my play. The flop seems to be a standard c-bet, otherwise what do I do, check-fold? Then I agree it would be better not to 3-bet at all.

Jailblazers
10-12-2007, 10:27 PM
Yes varying your play is good but doing it from the SB is -EV, especially at microstakes where there is very little (probably none) metagame going on. It would be better to vary your play from the button or something because I doubt that your opponents will think that you are unpredictable because you raised from the SB.

However, I really do not know how to properly play post-flop in this position because I wouldn't ever let myself get in this spot with such a weak hand. My first instinct is to not let the pot get large and the best way to do this is probably to check-fold after the flop hits me pretty light. If it goes check-check on the flop, I would still probably give up the hand. Bloating the pot in this situation is the worst.

But like I said, someone else would be better at explaining what to do post-flop in this position because I have very little experience in this type of situation because it's hard.

Edited to add: I recommend that you switch to FR because right now you're preflop and postflop game isn't looking to sharp. Just keep posting hands on here and when you feel you really comfortable game and have proven a winner over a large sample of hands, then you can move to 6max. FR is just much easier for beginners. No offense.

traxamillion
10-12-2007, 11:09 PM
don't 3bet this guy because you have no fold equity because he is most likely calling with his entire opening range and you are oop with a marginal hand.

At least make it 3 flat if your rly want to do this

Hail Eris
10-12-2007, 11:26 PM
PF is very bad. You think he's calling light so you're trying to play a 3bet pot with 67s out of position?

I would double barrel this like always if the flop wasn't monotone. Probably just c/f here, since he shows up with a turned Ace far more often than usual.

MaltbyStu
10-12-2007, 11:52 PM
This is the 2nd post I have seen you say that 32/17/4 is tight, am I being leveled here?

Anyway, I don't like this 3-bet, I think you really need to hit a flop hard to shake this guy off. I guess the flop lead isn't too bad, you may be slightly ahead of his range here but on the turn your equity drops dramatically, I c/f here.

Rafpig
10-12-2007, 11:59 PM
Button is 32/17/4 (LAG). BB is tight (I didnīt bother putting the stats, since he doesnīt play the hand).

Ekos
10-13-2007, 03:15 AM
3betting light oop @ 25nl is just silly

Khumalo
10-13-2007, 05:19 AM
Remember that 3 betting light (whether in position or OOP) works well against a certain class of players, some of whose attributes you can recognize quickly while playing at the table: they loosen up in later position more than otherwise (have some positional awareness), and/or they're straight-foward postflop (e.g. the people on the table you can count on to fold to your c-bets even though they insist on taking a flop very often when you raise pf), and/or they appear to have some discipline (they don't show up with trashy Ax offsuit at the end of medium and big pots, they don't call off stacks with every TPmk above a 7, etc.)

If somebody seems loose and dumb, don't 3 bet them light, simply isolate them with big cards and value bet them hard when you hit. Feel-wise, you should be going for the people who seem 'active' in late position, who seem to widen and narrow their range, who show evidence, in other words, of intermediate poker skill, and whom you can therefore attempt to manipulate with light 3 bets. At NL25, that's a minority.

choccypie
10-13-2007, 06:28 AM
Fold preflop tbh.

Check/fold turn. If you bet and he calls/raises he's pretty much pot committed and your hand doesn't have much showdown value.

Rafpig
10-13-2007, 10:13 AM
Thanks for the feedback. Gotta put more thought on this whole 3-bet idea. Itīs definitely -EV against this type of player. I check-folded turn.