Bad river call or just bad river?

[MrDurden19]

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BTN: $24.65
SB: $20.30
BB: $58
UTG: $25.30
Hero (CO): $25.35

Pre-Flop:T/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.50</font>, Hero calls $0.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.35) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif K/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.25</font>, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.85) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, UTG calls $1.50

River: ($5.35) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $22.80 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $19.80

[MrDurden19]

Anyone?

[Nemesis69]

I think it's a bad call. Villian filled up obv.

[DGDolly]

Runner runner FH? Yea it happens, but with the strange bets this guy has been putting out I don't see how I could fold here. If he has you beat, more power to him, you will get your money back eventually.

Call me a station, but I am NOT folding in this spot. Never.

[MrDurden19]

What if i told you he was running at 73/24. I also didnt think he would just shove with a boat, i figured he would want to get some sort of value and i dont think he was good enough to put me on a turned straight.

[BevillTheDevil]

i think id either raise or fold the flop. Really not gettin right odds for gutter plus you might not even have clean outs. Then id probalby raise more on the turn. River is kinda tough, reads would be nice...

[MrDurden19]

I only played about 70 hands with him but his utg min raise range could have a 10-9s or an 8-9s. He was also min betting bottom pair every time out of position.

[DGDolly]

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What if i told you he was running at 73/24. I also didnt think he would just shove with a boat, i figured he would want to get some sort of value and i dont think he was good enough to put me on a turned straight.

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I see his river bet the same way. It looks like he is trying to scare you with a big bet. "My min bets didn't get him to fold, maybe if I move in I can win this pot!"

I would also raise more on the turn with the 2 diamonds there, probably 3$.

[Logun]

I find that most ppl at this level bluff with the min bets but when they up the ante on their river bet, they usually have the goods.

Given his min bets, and then the check on the river I'm not sure what hands I would expect him to have that he could call with

side note: on the turn I pump to 2$

[nutstoyou]

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What if i told you he was running at 73/24. I also didnt think he would just shove with a boat, i figured he would want to get some sort of value and i dont think he was good enough to put me on a turned straight.

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At this level I've found that a lot of players will shove on the river with a monster. They hope it looks like a bluff.

Also, to them I think it's like playing the lottery - they would rather win a big pot than a small value bet. That's why I hate to call a bet like this even though I sometimes do.

PS - they will also check raise the river like this. I saw a player do it last night and stack someone.

[MrDurden19]

He ended up turning over Q9s. I dont like his play pf or on any street after that, like i said i dont think hes good enough to put me on a straight so his river shove is bad also since a straight is the only hand i would call with that he beats.

[greggg230]

He almost certainly has a full house. I'd just fold.

[Aceium]

I think the call on the flop is ok if you think you can get more out of him if you hit your gutshot. When you hit on the turn, I think you should be raising more, say to $2.50 or $3. I don't think you're betting enough when you hit your hand. If his hand was as strong as two pair he's probably going to call a larger bet. It looks like he did fill up on the river - I don't think he would just shove his stack in the middle on a naked queen.