A6s flops pair, turns 2

[prodonkey]

Villain is 48/14/2 basically just a total donkey but only time i've seen him raise anyone is when he had 66 on a AA6 flop.. he bets hands but doesn't raise. Is my hand good here?



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MP ($56.70)
Button ($18.75)
SB ($26.95)
BB ($61.55)
Hero ($55.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, MP calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.25) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, MP calls $1.50.

Turn: ($7.25) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $14.5</font>, Hero ????

[Berky]

Would he call your flop bet with two overs?AQ/AK?

[prodonkey]

I dunno.. I'm terrible at figuring out what these type of people will do.. cuz they aren't very rational about most things. He did fold to my c-bets quite often though, he liked to see lots of flops and if he had nothing he'd fold.

[Berky]

Yeah well if the only time you've seen him raise is when he was strong this is a sicko spot to be in. I call obv see what he does on the river? And prob call his bet
I realyl have no idea with such a donk.

[Nick C]

I'm not happy about this turn min-raise at all, but, damn, it could be a worse two pair (A2 in particular) or I maybe AsXs, so I would call and try to get to showdown as cheaply as I can.

[hendal]

Isn't baluga in effect here?

[.xxxx.]

why are you open raising A6s from UTG with players this loose behind?

[.xxxx.]

turn min raise is great, the A pairs up anything he floated with the spade draw/overs

are you really scared that he's playing back at you with a set?

You shouldn't be, either RR turn or plan to CRAI on the river because you're so ahead of his range

[Nick C]

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turn min raise is great, the A pairs up anything he floated with the spade draw/overs

are you really scared that he's playing back at you with a set?

You shouldn't be, either RR turn or plan to CRAI on the river because you're so ahead of his range

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This is exactly how some players play sets. And sets are 8 combos while AsXs hands are 10. (Plus, we're not nearly as far ahead of AsXs as we are behind sets.)

I don't think it's as clear as you're making it sound. Did you look at the read Hero provided?

[corsakh]

I think your even money here. Call and reeval river. He can do this with a set, two pair, AK. Your two pair is not the worst of them all.

[avfletch]

Your weak flop bet will get called pretty wide and that's a lot of aces, most of which you have crushed. I'd happily call the min raise then call whatever he wants to give me on the river.

[.xxxx.]

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turn min raise is great, the A pairs up anything he floated with the spade draw/overs

are you really scared that he's playing back at you with a set?

You shouldn't be, either RR turn or plan to CRAI on the river because you're so ahead of his range

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This is exactly how some players play sets. And sets are 8 combos while AsXs hands are 10. (Plus, we're not nearly as far ahead of AsXs as we are behind sets.)

I don't think it's as clear as you're making it sound. Did you look at the read Hero provided?

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The provided read wasn't complete, was villain raising in position, OOP, after how many hands, how loose were the other players at the table, did villain smooth call flop and raise turn....we need a very good reason not to commit with this hand and I didn't get it

What about my first question about even playing the hand UTG in the first place?

[Nick C]

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What about my first question about even playing the hand UTG in the first place?

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I think it's marginal at a 5-handed table. I would do it occasionally but usually fold and once in awhile open-limp /images/graemlins/shocked.gif if there hadn't been a lot of preflop raising and "punishing the limpers" going on at the table.

[.xxxx.]

Playing this loose OOP vs passive/calling opponents in position is --EV
this is when you should shift to semi nitty TAG play fo sho

why even open limp? You're not doing that with pp's + AQ+

[wslee00]

pf is bad w/ a 48/14 sitting behind you. He'll call you with a wide range of aces that you won't have beat.

wtf w/ the flop bet. make a real bet or don't bet at all. I'm not liking it, but I call turn and river, b/c you beat a lot of two pair hands.

[Nick C]

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Playing this loose OOP vs passive/calling opponents in position is --EV
this is when you should shift to semi nitty TAG play fo sho

why even open limp? You're not doing that with pp's + AQ+

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I don't have a strong opinion about preflop in this hand. I was just answering your question, really. We don't know what the table as a whole is like, just that the player to Hero's immediate left is loose/passive. I agree that that piece of information that we do have argues against playing. It also argues for asking Villain to switch seats with us /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

I don't open-limp much -- I just don't think doing so is disgraceful like much of this forum seems to -- but I would probably do that with my A6s 5-handed UTG if the entire table was loose/passive. And you're right -- I wouldn't do it with AQ and PPs very much, probably, but I might with other hands like KJo and 76s and QTs. At tables with a bunch of loose-passives, I don't mind fitting in a bit and trying to outplay them postflop, especially if I think my decent but speculative hand probably can't be raised particularly profitably.

But the situation doesn't come up too much. It's hard to avoid having one or two other TAGgish players at the table with you, these days -- or, if not that, a LAG or two that makes the whole open-limping thing too costly (well, except that I like LRRing LAGs with big hands if I'm pretty sure I'm going to be able to).