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MaltbyStu
10-02-2007, 12:37 AM
Am i beat here or do I just remember it's NL25 and call?

Villain is 14/5 over about 600 hands. I have no big hands against him and I don't recall this stunt before.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($45.10)
Hero ($25)
CO ($23.90)
Button ($23.55)
SB ($30.95)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($3.25) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $22.55

<font color="black"> Hero?

creamfillin
10-02-2007, 12:38 AM
leveling?

Khaos4k
10-02-2007, 12:41 AM
Fist pump and celebrate. But not too much, you don't want to time out before hitting call.

MaltbyStu
10-02-2007, 12:46 AM
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LOL, no man. I'm just used to working a little harder to get the cash in. I haven't been presented with these massive bets very often and haven't worked out what they mean yet.

guitarizt
10-02-2007, 12:47 AM
Instacall. You're either slightly ahead or way ahead. You're 60/40 favorite to win against Jd9d. I'm not sure what I'd do with on overpair though. I'd probably fold unless villain was really bad.

creamfillin
10-02-2007, 12:50 AM
Badly played overpairs, draws, random garbage. Sometimes they are monsters but they generally are moderate strength hands.

pinkmarkers
10-02-2007, 01:12 AM
This is a call here. These bets typically represent a draw. If he had trip 10's would he really shove here? I can see a moderate re-raise, but not a shove. Also, it's more likely he would have re-raised with 10-10 pre-flop.

Nick C
10-02-2007, 01:13 AM
Given Villain's rockish stats, I think he's either got a strong made hand or a massive draw or he's on tilt.

But we've got the second nuts, so I think we instacall, hope it's not TT, and hope that a hand like QdJd doesn't get there without the board pairing.

I feel better about my hand than I would with KK preflop versus a 4-bet from the same player, but all the same this is one of those hands where I'm not really going to start celebrating until the pot comes my way at showdown.

Kasane
10-02-2007, 03:22 AM
Someone once made a post somewhere that helped me a lot. It said something like think of betting as if it's a conversation. You raise pf, "I've got something." He calls, "I'll see if I can beat it."

On the flop, you bet strong. "I've still got something good." He raises all in, "I don't want you in my pot anymore."

Do you really think he'd do that with a set? Some villain's will, playing reverse psychology, or a stupid "protect my hand" kinda way. But not many.

Don't just "remember it's NL25" and call -- snap call this at any level, from just about any, any villain. Even giving villain a range of sets only it's a call! And we know his range isn't sets alone.

Zaid_Ahmed
10-02-2007, 03:30 AM
lol? expect to see 10x alot

GSykes
10-02-2007, 03:33 AM
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lol? expect to see 10x alot

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Haha, yeah because a 14/5 is going to shove the flop for stacks. No At worst your going to see top pair w/ FD which you still have good equity. Or you will be crushing him and he has 22.

Either or fist pump make sure you click the left button over the call button on your mouse.

ICMoney
10-02-2007, 04:15 AM
Are you kidding - one hand beats you.

It means you should be thanking him for saving you the trouble of betting on later streets.

I would fist pump, but it doesn't even feel like I earned it.

Just silently thank him.

Berky
10-02-2007, 04:21 AM
lol is there ever a time where you dotn call here?

stick it in. Fist pump dance wateva .

xeanatic
10-02-2007, 04:25 AM
it's means you have to put it all in here

vixticator
10-02-2007, 05:00 AM
It means you win, unless he sucks out.

T-Bone98
10-02-2007, 05:18 AM
Instacall. There is only one hand that is ahead right now. And chances on set over set are so slim I want my money in right now every time this situation apears.

Waingro
10-02-2007, 09:30 AM
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leveling?

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LOL, no man. I'm just used to working a little harder to get the cash in. I haven't been presented with these massive bets very often and haven't worked out what they mean yet.

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His most likely holding by far is an overpair waiting for a safe flop, think JJ and QQ. Villain doesn´t want to see any more cards and is 100% he has the best hand and has trapped you. This is a snap-call with QQ+.

MaltbyStu
10-02-2007, 01:15 PM
Thanks for all the replies.

It's an overwhelming call from the forum and I did in a heartbeat. He obviously showed TT FTW.

The thing that bugged me is that when reviewing my session I couldn't help think that a guy with these stats wouldn't push a draw so I can narrow him down to set/overpair. I also think it's likely that he would raise/call an overpair and so a set is the likely candidate.
Even so, against a range of exactly TT,22 I'm slight favourite. Add in the overpairs and it's a no-brainer.

Thanks,

Stu