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Villain is about 25/11/3.5 over 200ish hands
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UTG ($10.30)
MP ($9.85)
Hero ($11.40)
Button ($33.15)
SB ($17.45)
BB ($8.90)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.45</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.35.
Flop: ($1.05) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $1.05</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $10.9 (All-In)</font>, Hero?
DAMNIT, I was almost sure I was beat here and ready to fold. It's the first time I ever flopped a monster and right away put opponent on a bigger monster. BUT HOW DO YOU FOLD THIS AT THESE LIMITS!?
Micro Donk
10-01-2007, 10:21 PM
lol...
more topic attacks
mookboi
10-01-2007, 10:25 PM
Very standard. Get it all in there. This thread should be locked, there is no question here. You are ahead of pretty much anything but a set of sevens or Q7. His range is much much wider than that.
Mr. Ratface
10-01-2007, 10:25 PM
I actually think that you're ahead here or tie very often. If he has a set of sevens then that's too bad but if you start folding these hands on these boards you're losing a lot of value in the long run.
Don't be results oriented.
valdiesel
10-01-2007, 10:26 PM
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Villain is about 25/11/3.5 over 200ish hands
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)
UTG ($10.30)
MP ($9.85)
Hero ($11.40)
Button ($33.15)
SB ($17.45)
BB ($8.90)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.45</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.35.
Flop: ($1.05) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $1.05</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $10.9 (All-In)</font>, Hero?
DAMNIT, I was almost sure I was beat here and ready to fold. It's the first time I ever flopped a monster and right away put opponent on a bigger monster. BUT HOW DO YOU FOLD THIS AT THESE LIMITS!?
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Does this opponent play hands fast? If so 77 kills you but he could also have KQ
Smack yourself in the head for even thinking this is debateable, then call as fast as you can.
vixticator
10-01-2007, 10:28 PM
I hope my opponent has a big hand here and instacall.
I'm not usually thinking that I'm beat here, but he seems like a very solid player and probably put me on an OP or a Q which is what made him push his stack in.
It's that 2nd (or 3rd) level thinking that had me hurting. I know it sounds [censored] retarted that here I am posting a hand that is an easy shove in most occasions. But damn that feeling...
Well this is funny cause it really wasn't results oriented. Yeah he flipped over his <font color="white"> 7/7 </font> and I was not the LEAST surprised. I would have been so proud of myself if I happened to fold this. Unfortunately I do agree I would have been a moron to do so, but still proud /images/graemlins/blush.gif
AFCBeer
10-01-2007, 10:37 PM
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BUT HOW DO YOU FOLD THIS AT THESE LIMITS!?
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It's that 2nd (or 3rd) level thinking that had me hurting.
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If its that hard to put a hand down AT THESE LIMITS why are you thinking on the 2nd or 3rd level. You seem to be contradicting and out-thinking yourself.
Just play YOUR cards and call.
Well it's what I noticed from villain. He was playing very solid poker. Yeah close this thread, this is a stupid post...
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Micro Donk
10-01-2007, 10:49 PM
Board: 7h Qc Qs
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.300% 57.37% 11.93% 71568 14877.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 30.700% 18.77% 11.93% 23418 14877.00 { AA, 77, AQs, KQs, QTs+, AQo, KQo, QTo+ }
seems like a reasonable range, yes? possible he could have been slowplaying AA and doesnt want to believe hes beat as well
Ikaika
10-01-2007, 11:04 PM
look you're losing to 7's and Q7...there are about a zillion hands that play this exactly the same that you're crushing, snapcall.
Mr. Ratface
10-01-2007, 11:06 PM
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Board: 7h Qc Qs
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.300% 57.37% 11.93% 71568 14877.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 30.700% 18.77% 11.93% 23418 14877.00 { AA, 77, AQs, KQs, QTs+, AQo, KQo, QTo+ }
seems like a reasonable range, yes? possible he could have been slowplaying AA and doesnt want to believe hes beat as well
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Against the average moron's range you can add KK,JJ and tens
Micro Donk
10-01-2007, 11:09 PM
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Board: 7h Qc Qs
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.300% 57.37% 11.93% 71568 14877.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 30.700% 18.77% 11.93% 23418 14877.00 { AA, 77, AQs, KQs, QTs+, AQo, KQo, QTo+ }
seems like a reasonable range, yes? possible he could have been slowplaying AA and doesnt want to believe hes beat as well
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Against the average moron's range you can add KK,JJ and tens
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which just makes the equity go up
in short, all in!
gedanken
10-01-2007, 11:19 PM
zomg:
Board: Qs Qc 7h
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.465% 11.46% 25.00% 681 1485.00 { AhQd }
Hand 1: 63.535% 38.54% 25.00% 2289 1485.00 { 77, AQs, AQo }
$7 to call for a $14 pot. call.
edit: forgot q7:
Board: Qs Qc 7h
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.505% 11.99% 18.52% 1068 1650.00 { AhQd }
Hand 1: 69.495% 50.98% 18.52% 4542 1650.00 { 77, AQs, Q7s, AQo, Q7o }
whatever. this is practically a wa/sb situation.
ShipitFMA
10-01-2007, 11:25 PM
this is a joke, we are only behind one hand if you cant get it in here you have something wrong with you
Of course I got it in, and of course he had 77. Look it may sound [censored] stupid, but the way he played the hand was 77, and nothing else. Maybe I'm being a little narrow minded but usually when I see a limper from early position, I assume either SC, or low PP. And damn was I right.
Yeah I pressed that call button pretty quickly, but I was expecting to see 77.
Again, solid player so far, limps, calls re-raise, pushes me on flop. So this may look like a joke, but I had a lot of validity behind my post.
mookboi
10-01-2007, 11:29 PM
Why can't he do this with QJ?
mookboi
10-01-2007, 11:29 PM
Also, he's not solid. He limped PF.
I've seen him play and showdown hands and it just wouldn't make sense he would limp with QJ. Ok, so he's not solid in the way he should be playing PP, but he's solid enough to be playing a semi TAG game where he knows when to put his money in.
Of course if this hand happened again, would I call? Damn straight I will, but it was the combination of seeing villain play and the betting pattern of limping/calling that had me a little skeptical of holding the best hand.
Which brings this thread to an end...
Khaos4k
10-01-2007, 11:47 PM
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Maybe I'm being a little narrow minded but usually when I see a limper from early position, I assume either SC, or low PP.
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Stop thinking this. Not at these limits.
He limp/called preflop and went crazy on a flop.. this can be AA/KK, KQ, maybe even JJ or TT. There's one hand that beats you in his range, why worry about folding?
Perk76
10-02-2007, 09:29 AM
I am in the folding camp.
<font color="white">Wait, there is no folding camp. Guess I will get it all in! LDO </font>
microDonk
10-02-2007, 09:30 AM
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Of course if this hand happened again, would I call? Damn straight I will...
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I hope you don't take this too personally, but the above statement should pretty much tell you that this shouldn't have been a thread. You (and everyone else here) know that this is a hand where you have to get the money in, so it's probably best to just move on and forget about it. Posting this just gets a lot of people riled up over nothing.
gbporkpie
10-02-2007, 09:37 AM
Call so fast. If anything, it probably is not a monster because people just love to slowplay big flops at these limits.
When you see someone limping at NL10 you should generally be thinking "ATC".
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Of course if this hand happened again, would I call? Damn straight I will...
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I hope you don't take this too personally, but the above statement should pretty much tell you that this shouldn't have been a thread. You (and everyone else here) know that this is a hand where you have to get the money in, so it's probably best to just move on and forget about it. Posting this just gets a lot of people riled up over nothing.
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Which is why I announced to close this thread. Yeah it's a pointless thread which is why I'm surprised it was bumped up again. I'm just happy that I called his hand exactly. Oh wells, /end thread
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