NL 50 AK TPTK- terrible fold?

[NoAGame]

No read on villain, 5th Hand at the table.I considered shoving the flop- but decided to bet a non-spade turn instead..

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $57.50
BB: $16.85
UTG: $40.90
Hero (MP): $54.25
CO: $41.35
BTN: $0.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Ahttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $1.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.25) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif Ahttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $10.00</font>, Hero calls $7.00

Turn: ($24.25) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $24.25</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $24.25 returned to BTN

Pot Size: $24.25 ($1.20 Rake)

Edit: villain has $40 at the start of the hand

[popeye18]

I shove the flop. As played i fold the turn.

[bsball8806]

Did you call his turn bet intending to c/f the turn? The turn card is a relative blank, unless you put BTN on some sort of Ax spades hand.

I shove the flop here too, maybe you can get that Ax spades hand to commit in a situation where you're ahead, instead of letting him catch his spades. Turn I see as a fold, dont' really see him pushing with anything we beat.

[Logun]

If you shove on the flop you will only get called by AQ, A5, QQ, 55 and Axss - all of which we are losing to and only a coin flip against Axss

I don't mind a fold on this flop - is that a bad thing?

[Chomp]

Any thoughts on folding flop?

On the face of it, it appears ridiculously nitty. But I'm thinking:

&gt; I am not crazy about putting an unknown villain's flop raising range at {A2-A4,A6-AJ} here. Some of those hands probably aren't even in his pf calling range either. (And putting worse hands than Ax in his range I think is very far fetched).
&gt; We have invested so little, and even with the dead money after villain raises we probably need to be good here ~40% of the time. That's pretty tight IMO. And if we are behind we have 3 outs, and that is only some of the time.

I guess what I am saying is at the table I don't hate a flop fold as I don't think it is a massively or clearly -EV play.

Hahaha. I'm gonna get flamed for this.

[Ramana]

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Hahaha. I'm gonna get flamed for this.

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Not at all. Villain needs to be betting AJ or less. From experience I can say that they rather like to call with that hand. Most profit w AK TPTK comes from a hand that is TP2K TP3K, slightly worse aces basically, and draws of course.

Readless this fold often saves us a lot of money. Position is a very important thing here. IP this hand is much more profitable. OOP we have only one choice, stack off or fold. In that case villain play perfect poker and we have no idea where we're at.

edit: one more thing: most often we're either not too far ahead or very far behind

[ryang]

i think its either shove or fold flop, if you call you can't fold turn.

[creamfillin]

For 80bbs i'm pretty sure i go broke on a safe turn