6max: Straight on board, should I call?

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Villain is 62/24/3.5

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($26.60)
Hero ($26.95)
CO ($23.65)
Button ($51.45)
SB ($49.65)
BB ($8.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($2.25) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, SB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.25) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($5.25) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $6</font>, Hero.....

[Sean Fraley]

You do realize that 52o will kick you ass here, right? No, you absolutely should not call this.

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You do realize that 52o will kick you ass here, right? No, you absolutely should not call this.

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Nope, didn't realize that. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[troxx]

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You do realize that 52o will kick you ass here, right? No, you absolutely should not call this.

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dude, read again. Only every T (including JT) is beating the board. Villain is overbetting the pot ($6 into a $5.25 pot). So you are getting close to 1 to 3 on your money but you are just calling for a split. I don't like making these calls, here i fold unless i have a read otherwhise.

[Kasane]

Calling 6 to win 2.7 or whatever is rarely right. I let it go.

www.nexthandplease.org (http://www.nexthandplease.org) or something...

[Micro Donk]

i might call if there is no chance they can have a T...in this case a T is likely in JT or T9...so i muck

[Ranma4703]

I do stuff like this to people all the time... He knows you don't have a T unless you have TT or AT (both are very unlikely), so he can bet here with almost anything, run away if you raise all in, and still get the same amount of money if you call. I would call unless I had a read otherwise.

[Antinome]

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I do stuff like this to people all the time... He knows you don't have a T unless you have TT or AT (both are very unlikely), so he can bet here with almost anything, run away if you raise all in, and still get the same amount of money if you call. I would call unless I had a read otherwise.

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exactly how often do you have to be right for this call to be correct?

[Antinome]

x(11.25/2)+(1-x)(-6)=0 ... 11.63x=6 ... x=53%

meh, could happen.

[Nick C]

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I do stuff like this to people all the time... He knows you don't have a T unless you have TT or AT (both are very unlikely), so he can bet here with almost anything, run away if you raise all in, and still get the same amount of money if you call. I would call unless I had a read otherwise.

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exactly how often do you have to be right for this call to be correct?

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You're calling $6 to salvage your half of the $5.25 in the pot on the turn, which is $2.58 or so.

So Villain needs to have a hand without a T in it 70 percent of the time or so -- a bit more often than that, actually, once we account for rake.

If we assign Villain a completely random hand, it will contain a T roughly 18 percent of the time. So I guess maybe the decision is close.

[Antinome]

Where the money came from is irrelevant. There is 11.25 in the pot. You are calling 6 to win half of it, or 5.63.

[vixticator]

I can see an argument for raising. Not calling. Fold is best.

[Nick C]

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Where the money came from is irrelevant. There is 11.25 in the pot. You are calling 6 to win half of it, or 5.63.

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You don't win any of the $6 Villain put in on the river. It goes back to him (just like your $6 call goes back to you). But if Villain has a T, you lose your $6. So effectively you're putting in $6 to salvage your half of the pot that was built by the preflop thru turn action.

Eh, I feel like I could have explained that better, but, really, I'm right about this. I mean, think of it this way: After we call the river, the pot will have $17.25 in it, not $11.25. It's half of that $17.25 that we get back, which is $8.63 or so. Subtract $6 from that (our river call), and we're investing $6 to salvage $2.63.