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Spurious
09-29-2007, 07:44 AM
Reads:
Villain plays a lot of hands.
VP$IP: 48
He plays extremely timid pf, mostly calls raises, he raised once in 50 hands, he had QQ.
The hand before he won a huge pot with QQ with a rivered flush.
He plays awkward.

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SB ($24.40)
BB ($39.40)
Hero ($50.20)
MP ($26)
CO ($97.25)
Button ($6.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.35) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $5.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, CO calls $9.75.

<font color="blue"> I dont know what hand he could have, he's extremely loose pf. Therefore i decided to 3bet. </font>

Turn: ($32.35) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $11</font>, Hero calls $11.

<font color="blue"> The Q slowed me down, because i've seen him calling flop raises with overs. I call his bet because i put him on TT actually. </font>

River: ($54.35) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $70.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $23.20 (All-In).

<font color="blue"> I think i can't fold here. Qx is the only hand i am afraid of, and the way the hand was played he might got it but i doubt it</font>

Final Pot: $100.75
raymond715
09-29-2007, 07:56 AM
reeks of flopped set...especially if hes been check calling a lot of flops.....any other reads? i.e...RR c bets w/ draws or such? ive seen lots of knuckleheads bet the same way when a picture card falls on turn when the have flopped set (1/3 pot) on dry boards, hoping you hit and going in for kill on river.....
RichAM
09-29-2007, 07:59 AM
if he had a flopped set he would have pushed all in on the flop after you 3bet him ... so that is out of his range

he could easily have A9,TT,56,78

you played it fine against someone loose
raymond715
09-29-2007, 08:03 AM
thats why im wondering if he had other reads on villian, sure on a board like that a solid player is going AI in flop w/ set, but obviously this guys not solid, cant really take a set out of his range, but he is beating plenty of hands as well.....
ShipitFMA
09-29-2007, 08:31 AM
i'd love to know what he shows down with here
corsakh
09-29-2007, 08:40 AM
3betting the flop turns your hand into a bluff. I'd be shocked to see JJ to be good here.
monkover
09-29-2007, 11:00 AM
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3betting the flop turns your hand into a bluff. I'd be shocked to see JJ to be good here.

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i really agree with corsakh here...
the flop 3bet is imo very bad. there are hardly any hands you beat here that call your 3bet. you said that you saw villain call flop bets just with overs but he didnīt call your flop bet he called a 3 bet.
aspecially after he flat calls the flop 3bet and bets the turn im never calling here.
i call flop and reevaluate on the turn.
Spurious
09-29-2007, 01:28 PM
i think i should have called the flop, and check folded the turn

he turned over QQ

he threw me off, i thought he would 3bet hands like that, but i should have known better

the hand before he had QQ, too (pretty lucky :/), and he didnt 3bet there as well /images/graemlins/frown.gif

i should pay more attention
GSykes
09-29-2007, 01:38 PM
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3betting the flop turns your hand into a bluff. I'd be shocked to see JJ to be good here.

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Yeah I hate this you are folding out everything you crush.
guitarizt
09-29-2007, 01:38 PM
That's such a dry flop. He's not calling your reraise on the flop with a draw. He fired out 1/3 pot on the turn which makes it look like he's sucking you in. If he had like A9 I think he'd fold on the flop.
Spurious
09-29-2007, 01:41 PM
this guy would never fold TP on the flop
he's an idiot, but he beat me :/
sightless
09-29-2007, 02:03 PM
loose passive villain raises you on ragged dry flop, why 3bet him?
traz
09-29-2007, 02:42 PM
3 betting the flop is really bad, especially this deep