J9s flops pair + OESD vs a nit

[AZplaya]

Villian is a huuugggeee nit, 12/7 over 500 hands. Pre flop is marginal but I decided to call and try to stack his 1010-AA. Thoughts on the b3b AI here? Standard most of the time but here there is a fd out and I don't think I have as much fe as against player with a wider range. He obv has an overpair, possibly a set, I'd say 70% OP 30% set. Maybe getting fancy with AK/AQ which I'd say are the only hands I have fe against.

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SB: $44.00
Hero (BB): $68.95
UTG: $60.85
MP: $52.65
CO: $37.25
BTN: $142.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $1.75</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $10.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $67.20</font>

[mdm13]

You are almost sure he has an overpair or a set, acknowledge you have very little FE and you want to get all the money in the middle???

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.964% 38.81% 02.16% 13062 726.50 { Jc9c }
Hand 1: 59.036% 56.88% 02.16% 19145 726.50 { JJ+, TcTd, TcTs, TdTs, 9d9h, 9d9s, 9h9s, 88-77 }

[kaz2107]

looks ok to me. he has an overpair like everytime. a few random sets thrown in their and a few random draws. i like it

[Jamougha]

Preflop is awful wtf

[mdm13]

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looks ok to me. he has an overpair like everytime. a few random sets thrown in their and a few random draws. i like it

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But is the nit gonna fold his overpairs? Even a nit stacks off here with the overpairs.

[mookboi]

I agree with mdm. Nits are nits. They can't fold postflop, which is why they make sure to play hands they are gonna make $ with guaranteed no matter what comes on flop &amp; afterwards. There's no way he's folding like kings here. I'd just fold. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[kroeliewoelie]

I don't like preflop, but then again I got stacked today by an idiot willing to go all in preflop with J9s against my AA. So this hand definitely has potential /images/graemlins/smile.gif

On the flop I would like to have a diamond draw. So if it was Jd9d on a 8d9hTd, I'd say it is great. But this is requires some guts. I tend to say your action is more like a maniak.

[brandysbich]

I think you guys are missing the point of playing against nits if you think preflop is bad. They are raising like JJ-AA and AK only here and suited connectors are perfect to crack these hands. I prefer c/c on this flop, half the deck is scare cards you can easily take this pot away from him after the flop if the board gets scarier

[mdm13]

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I think you guys are missing the point of playing against nits if you think preflop is bad. They are raising like JJ-AA and AK only here and suited connectors are perfect to crack these hands. I prefer c/c on this flop, half the deck is scare cards you can easily take this pot away from him after the flop if the board gets scarier

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They may be good to crack the hands but you need to flop 2pair or better or get sufficient odds to draw, you don't really have much FE.

[Nick Royale]

Preflop is bad. Just c/c the flop.

[Nick C]

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I think you guys are missing the point of playing against nits if you think preflop is bad. They are raising like JJ-AA and AK only here and suited connectors are perfect to crack these hands.

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Low/medium PPs flop big made hands much more often than suited connectors and are better for cracking premium hands.

Also, the low/medium sets are much better disguised than the big hands that suited connectors flop.

[brandysbich]

I agree but thats not to say that if you play well enough postflop that playing hands like J9ss against and ultra nit isnt profitable.

[Nick C]

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I agree but thats not to say that if you play well enough postflop that playing hands like J9ss against and ultra nit isnt profitable.

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You may be right, but I do think it's worth knowing that a hand like J9s will only flop two pair or better roughly 1 in 20 times.

[brandysbich]

Thats true but this is where postflop skills come into effect. He's not always gonna have AA KK, you have to be willing to make a play at the pot if the boards are major scary (4 to a straight or flush altho dont commit too much of your stack trying to do this) and sometimes the flop will bring you situations where you have tons of equity in the hand 10 8c 2c or 678cc. I'm not advocating trying to push people off big hands all the time. Nothing wrong with seeing a flop with J9cc and if a decent situation arises go for it.

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