Peleus
09-28-2007, 09:36 PM
Hi all,
I've got a quick question in regards to the commitment threshold, and what we can do to avoid situations like the following. This is a hypothetical hand.
Our image is Tight Agressive
Villian is also Tight Agressive, he is tricky, commonly check raising. We estimate he wouldn't get all in with less then a set so getting in with anything else is -ev.
We have Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif J /images/graemlins/spade.gif
We're in position and effective stacks are 100bb.
Villian raises 3.5BB and we call, blinds fold.
(Pot 8.5BB)
Flop comes Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif J /images/graemlins/club.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
Good two pair but a fairly co-ordinated board.
Villian checks and we bet a slightly less then pot 7.5bb to protect our hand and for value as we think we're ahead, villian calls against his agressive nature.
Pot (23.5BB)
Turn comes 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Villian checks.
This is my problem - We suspect villian is most likely on a heart flush draw. Mabye even something like A /images/graemlins/heart.gif J /images/graemlins/heart.gif. We're at the commitment threshold so we need to decide if we are commited. We said before that villian wouldn't get all in for less then a set, which we can't beat so we're not commited, and commonly check raises. How do you protect a hand in this situation?
Obviously we don't want to give away a free card on such a draw heavy board, but on the other side we shouldn't bet to force out draws because we are going past the commitment threshold without being commited, and thus making a mistake in that sense as well.
I know this is a very specific example, but similar situations come up a lot when you are not commited.
I suppose the point of it all, and my question is how do you protect your hands from draws, once you're at the commitment threshold, but you are not commited?
I've got a quick question in regards to the commitment threshold, and what we can do to avoid situations like the following. This is a hypothetical hand.
Our image is Tight Agressive
Villian is also Tight Agressive, he is tricky, commonly check raising. We estimate he wouldn't get all in with less then a set so getting in with anything else is -ev.
We have Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif J /images/graemlins/spade.gif
We're in position and effective stacks are 100bb.
Villian raises 3.5BB and we call, blinds fold.
(Pot 8.5BB)
Flop comes Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif J /images/graemlins/club.gif 8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
Good two pair but a fairly co-ordinated board.
Villian checks and we bet a slightly less then pot 7.5bb to protect our hand and for value as we think we're ahead, villian calls against his agressive nature.
Pot (23.5BB)
Turn comes 7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Villian checks.
This is my problem - We suspect villian is most likely on a heart flush draw. Mabye even something like A /images/graemlins/heart.gif J /images/graemlins/heart.gif. We're at the commitment threshold so we need to decide if we are commited. We said before that villian wouldn't get all in for less then a set, which we can't beat so we're not commited, and commonly check raises. How do you protect a hand in this situation?
Obviously we don't want to give away a free card on such a draw heavy board, but on the other side we shouldn't bet to force out draws because we are going past the commitment threshold without being commited, and thus making a mistake in that sense as well.
I know this is a very specific example, but similar situations come up a lot when you are not commited.
I suppose the point of it all, and my question is how do you protect your hands from draws, once you're at the commitment threshold, but you are not commited?