FT BOT REFUND BS!!!

[DeadMoneyDad]

If you haven't heard FT has refunded a little of the money left in two frozen bot accounts.

Here is my suggestion:

If FT was serious about this issue they would refund the proper portion of the rake earned by any player who ever sat with one of these bots!!


The it should go to the rake back affiliate and charge them in FULL for every rakeback payment ever made to these bots.

<u>This response is half a$$ed at best.</u>

You want to put a stop to bots? Most of them play barely break-even poker and live off the rakeback!

The affilites know a supisious account when they see one!

There is a whole river of money and this pitance PR move by FT is crap!

They'll claim this is all there is to redistribute from the frozen or seized accounts. BS!!!

What about all the net revenue???

Cough it up FT!

If their accounting system is so great they know to the penny how much they have "lost" to me by my participation in public and private freerolls, to such an extent that I have to re-earn all of this back before getting a cent in positive rakeback their accounting system is good enough to know exactly who earned what from these type of accounts.

So the money isn't there right now? We're almost a full month into Septembers rake calculation and payments aren't to be made for another two weeks! Withhold the payments!

Let the US or what ever domicile the affiliates' accounts are based in sue the bot account owners for recovery!

This crap is just the tip of the ice-berg! If FT wants to reasure the players it is serious about this pay the piper and take pro-active steps to keep it from happening again!!!!!


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[bboy_]

this post was really annoying/hard to read but i'm happy ft shipped me $200 so shipppppit /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[bxb]

I didn't read all of it but from what I can tell OP's enthusiasm exceeds his understanding.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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I didn't read all of it but from what I can tell OP's enthusiasm exceeds his understanding.

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Well either FT did or did not refund players who played against the two FT confirmed bot accounts.

They either refunded only the seized money from the accounts or did not.

This is either acceptable or it is not.

If the answer to the first two is "it happened" I suggest my last question is open for discussion.

After all where does the responsibility begin and end to stop this crap?


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[killsadie]

stop. please.

[SeriAce]

ive heard andy beal is a bot

[killsadie]

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[Alobar]

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I didn't read all of it but from what I can tell OP's enthusiasm exceeds his understanding.

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its not his fault, he has the idiot avatar

[GiantWalleye]

OP just needs to stop flipping out on the internet. Donkey

[DeadMoneyDad]

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I didn't read all of it but from what I can tell OP's enthusiasm exceeds his understanding.

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its not his fault, he has the idiot avatar

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http://www.poker-king.com/poker-king-articles.php?article=257

[MicroBob]

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I didn't read all of it but from what I can tell OP's enthusiasm exceeds his understanding.

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he's really good at bolding different stuff though to make it more annoying to look at.

[antisocialgrace]

he makes a good point and you dolts are too beholden to immediate gratification to see it. I'm sure the poker sites really love you folks, they can fleece with impugnity as long as this sort of attitude predominates. i don't know why i even bother posting in here anymore, it's nothing more than monkeys chucking feces at each other.

[mocky]

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[21times20]

not enough people are giving the OP the credit he deserves for his brilliant "D$D" sig

[davidlong14]

don't hold your breath.

[Zetack]

Your outrage seems unwarranted, although I can't really tell if you're suggesting you should get more money, or if the affiliates of bot accounts should be punished.

If its the first, I would point out that you weren't actually cheated. Now you may care that your opponent was a bot, you may not. Perhaps you got outplayed by the Bot, peraps it ran well against you. But in the end, its not much different from playing a player who outplayed you, or didn't, ran well against you or didn't. It's not like you were colluded against.

I prefer to play against real players, so I applaud the site's stand against bots. But given that the bots didn't cheat anyone, as far as I know, a distribution of the money in the accounts seems perfectly reasonable, as opposed to some sort of total refund of every penny lost in Bot play.

--Zetack

[Bulletproof Monk]

WELL I FOR ONE AM IMPRESSED WITH THE USE OF BOLD AND UNDERLINE FONT CHANGES IN THE OP

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Your outrage seems unwarranted, although I can't really tell if you're suggesting you should get more money, or if the affiliates of bot accounts should be punished.

If its the first, I would point out that you weren't actually cheated. Now you may care that your opponent was a bot, you may not. Perhaps you got outplayed by the Bot, peraps it ran well against you. But in the end, its not much different from playing a player who outplayed you, or didn't, ran well against you or didn't. It's not like you were colluded against.

I prefer to play against real players, so I applaud the site's stand against bots. But given that the bots didn't cheat anyone, as far as I know, a distribution of the money in the accounts seems perfectly reasonable, as opposed to some sort of total refund of every penny lost in Bot play.

--Zetack

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Well since I don't play HU limt I know I have NOT played against these bots.

But I have played enought to know I've played against bots.

No in general I don't care if I play against a bot or not. Actually I prefer the bots, at least at this stage of bot development.

My point is most bots play around break even poker and bank the rake back.

This profits both the poker site and the affiliate in addition to the bot. The effect on the poker world in general is another debate. Needless to say looking forward I'm all for banning hand histories and eliminating data mining totally.

FT suggesting that it is doing the right thing to "properly remedy" this situation by dividing up whatever remains in these accounts is a joke.

First of all the amount in the accounts is meaningless to everyone involved. Bot's don't play to crush tables. They are NOT looking to amass a massive bank roll in their poker accounts. Anything left in that account is nothing more than the minimun needed to continue to operate.

The real money would be in the rake-back accounts.

FT should at least have frozen the payments to the affiliate as soon as they froze the FT accounts. I would have put the affiliate on notice that they face a potential charge back of any and all payments made to them by FT for the life of the frozen accounts.

Bots don't care about the primary accounts.

Rake-back affilaites love bots.

Lets stop the crap where and how it can be stopped.


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[traxamillion]

serious business

[iceman5]

Whats the difference to the avg player between a bot playing break even poker and the site having a prop who plays break even poker?

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Whats the difference to the avg player between a bot playing break even poker and the site having a prop who plays break even poker?

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When ever they read about bots, they blame their losses and all their bad beats on bots and the ever popular mythical "hole card" spyware. If it wasn't bad enough, them spamming every poker site with their "tin foil hat" theories, some of them actually know real live pople who might not know enough and listen to their crap.

It is a good of the game argument I make not some "pay me too" post.


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[O Fen�meno]

damn robots

[rakemeplz]

Next time go with the bold underline all caps concept OP. That is really an attention grabber!

[DeadMoneyDad]

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damn robots

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How about this, yes I posted this idea elsewhere but some of you jokers I don't want you following me around to find the serious threads.

Since the affiliates currently "launder" most of the end user profits to the bots and bot farmers. And since there is already a built in delay in payments to the rakeback accounts of at least two weeks from the end of the month.

Add a week.

This way any unusual accounts the affiliate can kick back to FT for review. If FT signs off on the payment there is no charge back for that month. It puts the responsibility back on FT and the affiliate has done their part for the greater good of poker.

If an affiliate wants to for marketing reasons or whatever wants to make speedier payments it absorbs the risk of any future chargeback for that month.

Sure I'd bitch about any delay in my personal payments but I'd rather wait and not have my affiliate go under to a major charge back..............

Take that Fool Tit!


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[edfurlong]

You seem to know a lot about bots. Are you a bot?

[DeadMoneyDad]

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You seem to know a lot about bots. Are you a bot?

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That does not compute, that does not compute........

D$D

[GaryTheGoat]

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Needless to say looking forward I'm all for banning hand histories and eliminating data mining totally.

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Won't this make it more difficult for players to protect themselves against incidents like the Absolute superuser debacle?

I thought that wpx banned hh's and deleted player names for a while...and heard that it became a playground for bots since the players couldn't 'track' them.

Stars prohibits datamining observed hands and Lee Jones advocates frequent player name changes.

In an online poker enviornment that includes, without limitation,:
<ul type="square"> bots
collusion
aim
cellphones
multi-accounting
buying accounts
superuser accounts
teams
etc [/list]
I don't know how we are going to protect ourselves unless the poker sites become much more transparent. We need more information, not less.

Boycotting doesn't work...the very players that revealed the Absolute superuser accounts apparently still play there.
Can't expect fish to avoid a poker site for possible cheating when the very players that were cheated continue to play there because it's positive ev. lol If this Absolute debacle doesn't get the players up in arms, I guess nothing will.

The ppa, gubment and the poker sites can/will not protect us. If the information isn't available to protect ourselves, then what can we do?

I am loathe to return to live casino poker with the attendant exorbinant rake, entry fees, tokes, staff appreciation fees, travel expenses, etc.

Get rid of hand histories...hmmm, maybe shortstacking against unknown opponents is the only 'protection' available to online poker/bingo players.

Man, what happened to poker and player comps during this 'boom'?

gg

[MrGatorade]

I hate bots and destroy them. =)

-Crazy Mike

[GaryTheGoat]

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I hate bots and destroy them. =)

-Crazy Mike

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Mike:

I applaud your efforts.

Would your search and destroy bot mission be hindered or enhanced by:

<ul type="square"> [1] No screen names

[2] No hand histories

[3] No datamining [/list]

gg