50nl - River Line

[whyzze]

OK! This is the 3rd Time I have tried to post this. 1st time wrong forum. 2nd time it didn't show up anywhere. Lets see if it works now.

Villian is 20/13/2. River AF of 6 over 350 hands. Hero is 24/20/3 has a decent image at this point.

No reads/history.

Whats your river play? B/c? B/f? C/C? C/F? crai?


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SB: $73.00
BB: $246.55
Hero (UTG): $52.70
CO: $49.25
BTN: $50.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB folds, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.25) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, CO calls $5.00, 2 folds

Turn: ($17.25) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $13.00</font>, CO calls $13.00

River: ($43.25) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero ?</font>

Pot Size: $53.25

[Nogatsira]

I think alot of plays are possible and good.

b/c seems to be the worst imho cause if he thinks you played your draw agressively then he wont raise here with anything worse then you.

b/f seems right for the above reason

c/c gets you some value from A4+ type of hands, I guess I'd go for this line most of the time

c/f is too weak here, specialy with his river AF of 6

crai will only work against a thinking player imho. If he has his flush then a crai might work if he's somewhat smart and able to lay down a good hand

[Eric Yang]

pretty standard, it seems... bet 1/2 or 1/3 pot, fold to a push?

[Agent57]

really? seems like nogatsira nailed it to me with the check call

[NoAGame]

I don't think bet/fold is possible with stack sizes. Hero has ~32 left, villain ~29 and the pot is 43.25.

I'm pretty confident that this is a check/ call..

[whyzze]

well I figured he would shove this river nearly everytime I checked...occasionaly he would check behind with an ace.

So my thought were:

flush is always shoving.

Ace is never valuebetting...he is shoving or checking. Mostly because I have played my hand like a strong ace and he cant think a small bet will stop me.

Since he will occasionaly check behind with an ace, I thought there was a little more value I may be able to get out of him. But i had to keep in mind his very high AF.

I also did not think he would call the turn with a FD.

If I shove, he is folding everything that beats me obviously. But if I make a 'blocking bet'. He may read it for weakness and shove overtop of me with a worse ace. Meanwhile, by this point I will be basically committed and have to call.

In the end I figured making a thin valuebet/bluff inducer would yield me a higher EV than c/calling.

River: ($43.25) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $29.50</font>, Hero calls $19.50

Pot Size: $102.25 ($3 Rake)

CO had J/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/club.gif ([Js Ac] two pair, Aces and Twos) and LOST (-$49.25)
Hero had A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (two pair, Aces and Tens) and WON (+$50.00)

[YesMehFriend]

I dont get the responses so far: b/f?? Hero bets 20 (~half pot and folds with 9$ left in a 90$ pot? and c/c? What worse hands will he bet after its obvious we might hold an A? His river af doesn't say much: it's based on 350 hands - how many rivers does he see with his vpip of 20? like 15?
I think the only possible lines are c/f (to a large bet ofcourse) or b/c.
Villain's stats look quite good, your image is decent you said so this should be somewhat worrisome. But a good A (AQ/AJ/AK), could be in his range and the pot is already fairly large, I bet it and hope for the best ...

[traz]

I typically bet/call in this situation. CC loses the same when you're behind but gains nothing when you're ahead, as he'll probably check behind anything you beat.

Betting will at least get some value out of worse hands

[C4LL4W4Y]

river af of 6? crai all day. he's going to bet just about his entire range (and you beat a lot of it) when you check, especially with that card coming out.

[C4LL4W4Y]

and btw c/c would be optimal if villain wouldn't be getting tremendous odds to call your AI.