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frostbrn
09-25-2007, 12:20 AM
Villain is 17/14/4 over 330 hands. I'm making my decision on the flop as to whether or not I'm taking it to the felt, I only called because I wanted him to put more money in and commit himself on the turn. Does anybody not get it in here?

Thanks!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($89.80)
UTG ($22.95)
Hero ($49.25)
Button ($18.45)
SB ($48.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9</font>, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($22.25) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $38.25</font>, BB calls $24.25.

River: ($98.75) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $98.75

n4rf
09-25-2007, 12:24 AM
He's shown a lot of strength and I would fold this. I don't think you'll see KQ or QJ here, what do you beat?

thing85
09-25-2007, 12:34 AM
I really don't like this play. Villain seems to be a solid player and I can really only see you tied with him at best. While KQ is possible, I don't think villain calls your all-in with anything less than AQ. It looks more like A4s.

Think about it: You've clearly shown strength (you called his c/r on the flop, so he knows you have at least a Q, if not AA or KK). There are no draws. And yet, he fires at you again on the turn. Again, I don't think he calls your all-in with anything less than AQ.

It seems like you've played several hands with villain, so if it seems like he's tilting or he's seen you be overaggressive recently, there is a slight chance he would play KQ like this.

frostbrn
09-25-2007, 12:46 AM
Yeah, I guess I have seen too many of these TAGs c/r'ing me OOP with air a lot lately, and that kind of clouded my judgment a bit and I paid off quadzilla here.

Kasane
09-25-2007, 12:58 AM
I don't think you played it badly at all. Now, normally, this line against a TAG is pretty lousy, but your tag isn't flat calling with QQ+ pf, nor many 4x hands. A4s/suited connector 4 maaaaaybe, and that's barely enough to make this a thunker -- well, that and the super monster he ended up having. I've seen tags misplay hands as often.

Answer, yes, I think this is one of those rare cases where you can comfortably go broke against a tag with bare TPTK.

I'd like it better if you didn't post that BB called. I'm trying to imagine this hand without seeing that in there, but it's hard.

creamfillin
09-25-2007, 01:03 AM
I don't think many tags are leading this turn with anything you beat very often.