Over on a wheel board

[corsakh]

Dont know, looks standard, may be just paranoid.

50NL iPoker, villain just sat down
100bb

Villain limps UTG, somebody else limps, tight SB raises 2.5, I call with 99, Villain calls, limper folds.

Flop like 534r $8

SB bets $6, I call, Villain raises to $21, Hero ???

I just edited for bet sizes.

[Bad Beat Maker]

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[corsakh]

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[zooot]

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Fold, you played it badly. 4x BB + 1 BB per limper in this situation. Seems loose passive from UTG and UTG+1 limps?

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Are you saying repop the tight SB raiser pre?

Maybe I'm misreading action - isn't OP in BB calling SB raise over UTG + MP limpers?

[Spurious]

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Fold, you played it badly. 4x BB + 1 BB per limper in this situation. Seems loose passive from UTG and UTG+1 limps?

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He had no chance to raise first.


Ok, back to the hand. I think he'd do this with any kind of overpair.
Call and fold are close.
Is open-limp, call raise a line JJ+ would take?
I put him on some kind of PP:
33-TT is my range.

But how to proceed.
And I'm lost.
I'd call here and see what he does on the turn.

[corsakh]

I cant call here. Too much in the pot already, if I call I have 25 behind in a 50 pot.

[catoandtonic]

I assume villain has a full stack. I like a fold. Well, I hate it, but its better than playing for stacks. If we play on, then we have to assume draws are a large part of villains range. Even lower pp's except 88 have a straight draw. So, there are a ton of bad turn cards that we could pay to see, then be forced to fold to. I dont think calling is a good play anyways.

Raising is certainly building a huge pot with very marginal hand. I would need villain to be a complete aggro-monkey spewtank to stack here. I think I would say to myself good bet 66 and fold.

[Spurious]

hmmm
i think it's close

Board: 5c 4d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.998% 42.82% 03.18% 14412 1071.00 { 9c9d }
Hand 1: 54.002% 50.82% 03.18% 17106 1071.00 { TT-33 }

My range might be off, but 77,88 probably wont call an AI.
I guess i'd fold.

[catoandtonic]

Spurious,

I think 22 is a definite possibility. Also, 56s and 67s. Little more unlikly, but possible is A7 and A6. Note that A7 is open ended. Just for kicks.


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Board: 5s 4h 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.511% 44.09% 02.42% 24008 1317.00 { 9c9d }
Hand 1: 53.489% 51.07% 02.42% 27808 1317.00 { TT-22, A7s-A6s, 76s, 65s }

[nutstoyou]

I fold this, thinking he either has a set or a made straight. He bet into a SB raiser pre-flop and a SB 2/3 bet on the flop, then a cold call by you. I think this is almost never a bluff and almost never a lower pp than you have.

[Spurious]

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Spurious,

I think 22 is a definite possibility. Also, 56s and 67s. Little more unlikly, but possible is A7 and A6. Note that A7 is open ended. Just for kicks.


54,450 games 0.005 secs 10,890,000 games/sec

Board: 5s 4h 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.511% 44.09% 02.42% 24008 1317.00 { 9c9d }
Hand 1: 53.489% 51.07% 02.42% 27808 1317.00 { TT-22, A7s-A6s, 76s, 65s }

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I doubt he plays pure draws like that, therefore i discounted them.
But i forgot to add 76 in the equation..

[ama0330]

Preflop is fine, but I'm unsure about your flop float. Thinking about it I guess there's no other way to play it, raising turns your hand into a bluff and folding is too weak. For that reason I probably just play it the same, but bear in mind that I think I would rather raise or fold the flop if I were HU, because you're going to have to fold a turn bet on most turn cards and its pretty unlikely that he leads overcards into three people, so youre hoping this is 66,77,88.

[corsakh]

I was worried about SB here and was prepared to fold to any further action on the turn. Limp caller UTG totally baffled me, so what do I do?

[ama0330]

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I was worried about SB here and was prepared to fold to any further action on the turn. Limp caller UTG totally baffled me, so what do I do?

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I don't understand what you mean, which street are you talking about? Limp calling can be a huge range of hands from high and low broadway, suited and unsuited, and all pairs. So vs that range you are looking to flop a set, and if you don't, get to SD cheaply. He limp called, but he's not going to stack off with King High, so play your hand at first level. Read his actions, rate your hand against the board, and go from there.


I think you played it fine. Note that if it was HU against this guy on the flop and he checked to me I would bet for value and protection. If he called, then checked a bad turn, I would check behind for pot control, then probably just fold any strength on the river. Standard pot control vs an unknown type deal.

[corsakh]

Sorry, I lost you. I am still on the flop. I think you misread action somehow.

The original raiser in SB cbets the wheel flop,
I call in BB with 99,
a unknown UTG behind me raises pot committing himself and the original raiser folds.

Action back to me.

I have 99 on 534r, there is 41 in the pot, 15 to call. Villain has 25 behind.

[ama0330]

Yeah, I see whats going on, its a clear fold. IMO you beat nothing and UTG has shown huge strength. You said that the limp call confused you and my response was that a limp call is such a huge range that you should play your hand at first level.

[NL Newbie]

Easy fold.

Poor equity vs draws,
Aggression shown against PFR,
PFR could have you already beat.