KK facing Flop Check Raise (Hero Deep + Villain Deep)

[bige321786]

Villain is 17.4/14.5/16 over 140 Hands
Seems competent, thinking, and obvioulsy aggressive

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com) (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($28.30)
MP ($19.25)
Hero ($75.95)
SB ($92.15)
BB ($55.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($3.85) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9</font>, MP folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $8.65

Feel free to rip in to me if you think it's justified. Felt like a set to me and I just felt there were better spots and easier money at this table.
All thoughts appreciated.

[doppelganger]

Good fold IMO at this limit. Villain you describe is not calling from the BB w/ one gappers like 57/79 and this is an otherwise very dry board.

Here's a side question: At what limit do you start running into 3rd level thinkers who will say "Hey, here's a thinking opponent and a super dry board, I bet I can push him off a better hand by repping a set here..."

[Nogatsira]

Holy cow get it in there!
Look at his agression factor, its 16!
If it really is 16 then you are a HUUUUGE favorite over his range here.

If it's 1.6 and a typo then I still think folding is weak, because he'll do with with alot of hands. This flop isnt likely to have hit a preflop raiser, it's a good one to reraise with air

[doppelganger]

I don't know, I don't like where the pot size is going holding a pair against a 105BB stack. Maybe it's a call and reeval the turn situation, but are you suggesting we try and play for stacks right here?

[bige321786]

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Holy cow get it in there!
Look at his agression factor, its 16!
If it really is 16 then you are a HUUUUGE favorite over his range here.

If it's 1.6 and a typo then I still think folding is weak, because he'll do with with alot of hands. This flop isnt likely to have hit a preflop raiser, it's a good one to reraise with air

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Those were my exact thoughts and I thought it absolutely EV+ to call with normal stack sizes against this player.
With both stacks quite deep, I didn't feel like risking over 2 buy ins with an overpair.
Maybe my thinking is archaic and nitty. Yes?

[Nogatsira]

If he really has an AF of 16 then that means he practically never calls. He raises and reraises.
If that is true, then we are ahead and then I shove it in.

If he isnt playing super agressive, then I probably call and reeval on the turn. I'm not going to trow away a big overpair on such a dry flop

[Nogatsira]

Hmz stacks are indeed huge here, but that's another reason why I would AT LEAST see the turn and his action. There is alot to win here, so I wont give it up that fast

[bige321786]

His aggression factor really was 16.00
No typo.

[Nogatsira]

Then I think I'd check/call it down. He'll do the betting for you while holding a worse hand alot of the time.

[bige321786]

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Then I think I'd check/call it down. He'll do the betting for you while holding a worse hand alot of the time.

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Against this type of player, with this size of a stack, aren't there going to be much better spots to use his aggression against him? This just feels like being hopeful IMO.
Again, I could be a nit and this might be a leak in my game.

[Nogatsira]

An overpair is a good spot against an opponent this agressive. You could wait for a hand where you really flop the nuts, but I think you're leaving alot of chips behind.

Take the chips while he still has them, cause he'll be busto soon against someone else