KK and flopped a boat!! Can I flee the river here???

[rockstar626]

OK, I dont have my HH right now..... I will try my best!
10NL on Full Tilt Poker(6 handed)
I dont remember chip stacks, but just know that villain is covered by about two bucks(maybe 10.00 vs heros 12.00)
Try to work through this guys, I didnt have a HH readily available, but feel free to fire away at me!!!!


No reads on villain
ON Dealer Button with KK and E1 has limped for .10, I obviously raise to .55 e1 folds to MP2 who calls.

Flop comes 7K7(two hearts) Wow, Dream Flop..... (pot is ~1.60
Villain checks, I check.
Turn comes out a blank(4 of spades maybe?)
Villain bets1.50, I call.
River is 7

Villain moves AI for stack(no flush on board)
I am faced to call AI of ~8.50.

Should I lay down here????(Only a one outer here I see that wins)

[kurto]

No, you cannot flee.

Villain can have the 4th king just as likely as the 4th 7.

He can also have many other pairs. Or just think he can bluff you.

[Milky]

I'm never folding here. He could possibly have a 7 but he could also have any K (for the worse fh).

[Hail Eris]

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Should I lay down here????

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If you hate money.

[rockstar626]

So E1 agrees with the call here?

[thac]

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So E1 agrees with the call here?

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You would too if he didn't have the 7 here.

[rockstar626]

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So E1 agrees with the call here?

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You would too if he didn't have the 7 here.

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Thac, I would have made the call anyways. I will pay 8.50 to see what he has. I just wanted to see if my call was bad, I feel it was the right thing. The more important thing here, is did I misplay my hand somehow?
Villain is going to call AI on flop and turn, so probably just a good ole fashion BAD BEAT.

[thac]

I think your other streets are much worse/more questionable than the river call.

[bsball8806]

no, i like your play throughout. i agree with the flop check, as 77K isn't draw heavy at all, and there isn't much he calls with here. better to let him catch

[kurto]

In the course of poker we're all going to come across hands like THESE (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=microplnl&Number=12085465 &Searchpage=3&Main=12085465&Words=kurto&topic=&Sea rch=true#Post12085465)

And our spidey sense may tingle and we may feel stupid when it turns out they had that one card...

that being said... there are going to be MORE hands like this where you take down the pot.

[thac]

Given how you played flop and turn it looks like you have something like QQ-99, and are trying to get to showdown cheap. I mean you can't fold ever especially when you give villain a reason to think you're weak.

[rockstar626]

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I think your other streets are much worse/more questionable than the river call.

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Help me understand what you mean with this statement...

[thac]

You have a boat and got 15 bb in with only one card to come. If you check flop, you should definitely raise turn. But in general you should be c-betting a LOT of flops so you should c-bet here.

[thac]

But then again, I mean, I should play this hand like villain in your hand since that's how everyone plays boats:


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $74.00
Hero (BB): $71.30
UTG: $50.35
MP: $96.65
CO: $7.45
BTN: $7.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, MP calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.25) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($8.25) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, UTG calls $4.50, 2 folds

River: ($17.25) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $11.50</font>, UTG calls $11.50

Pot Size: $40.25 ($1.95 Rake)

UTG had A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif and LOST (-$18.00)
Hero had 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (four of a kind, Eights) and WON (+$20.30)

[bored]

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But then again, I mean, I should play this hand like villain in your hand since that's how everyone plays boats:


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $74.00
Hero (BB): $71.30
UTG: $50.35
MP: $96.65
CO: $7.45
BTN: $7.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, MP calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.25) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($8.25) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, UTG calls $4.50, 2 folds

River: ($17.25) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $11.50</font>, UTG calls $11.50

Pot Size: $40.25 ($1.95 Rake)

UTG had A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif and LOST (-$18.00)
Hero had 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (four of a kind, Eights) and WON (+$20.30)

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Shove river.

[thac]

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But then again, I mean, I should play this hand like villain in your hand since that's how everyone plays boats:


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker (http://www.legopoker.com) Hand History Converter (http://www.legopoker.com/hh))

SB: $74.00
Hero (BB): $71.30
UTG: $50.35
MP: $96.65
CO: $7.45
BTN: $7.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, MP calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.25) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($8.25) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, UTG calls $4.50, 2 folds

River: ($17.25) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $11.50</font>, UTG calls $11.50

Pot Size: $40.25 ($1.95 Rake)

UTG had A/images/graemlins/heart.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif and LOST (-$18.00)
Hero had 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (four of a kind, Eights) and WON (+$20.30)

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Shove river.

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I know, I know, no one folds FH, but I figured he didn't have an ace. /images/graemlins/frown.gif