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MadeYaLook
09-21-2007, 03:40 PM
When is it correct to go ai? Always with KK? What about QQ? Can somebody enlighten me?

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MP ($23.55)
Hero ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $10</font>, Hero calls $25.25 (All-In)

Milky
09-21-2007, 03:43 PM
If you can get all-in pf w/KK do so. The only reason you'd think twice is if the guy has a pfr% of 2 or something.

MadeYaLook
09-21-2007, 03:49 PM
Ok. So ignoring the feeling I'm up against Aces is good.

Milky
09-21-2007, 03:51 PM
Yes, don't sweat it. You may see AA but you'll also see JJ-KK and AK as well. Hell, you'll see worse than that on occasion as well.

Perk76
09-21-2007, 03:53 PM
Mod...can we just use a one liner for this type of post? k thx.

Btw....get it all in and search a bunch of other kk preflop posts cause its always the same.

MadeYaLook
09-21-2007, 03:54 PM
QQ?
Ok, sorry.

Perk76
09-21-2007, 03:56 PM
Post hands with reads for QQ since its a very different animal, and only the range of hands thats going to run against QQ are very strong in most situations. If someone is 3betting you constantly light, I can see value in going all in. Against most villans its pretty easy to fold to a 4bet with QQ as this hand would of been.

ApeAttack
09-21-2007, 04:40 PM
If the effective stacks are over 200BB, you may think twice about it. As others have stated, you only really need to worry if the villain has a very low pfr% (over many hands).

But in general, get your money in ASAP. For every AA you see, you will see many more AK, AQ, KK-99.

.xxxx.
09-21-2007, 04:47 PM
reads are def important for QQ

What's the range that you're 3betting from the SB?

C4LL4W4Y
09-21-2007, 04:50 PM
QQ is a monster heads up, i usually don't have any problem getting it in.

wikemang
09-21-2007, 05:02 PM
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QQ is a monster heads up, i usually don't have any problem getting it in.

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Agreed, even less of a problem getting it in with KK preflop.

MadeYaLook
09-21-2007, 09:32 PM
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What's the range that you're 3betting from the SB?

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I'm not sure. I guess AA-TT, AK. What do you guys think? Is AQs also ok? What do you suggest to 3bet in SB?

sightless
09-21-2007, 09:35 PM
kk all in pf standard

Sean Fraley
09-21-2007, 09:38 PM
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What's the range that you're 3betting from the SB?

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I'm not sure. I guess AA-TT, AK. What do you guys think? Is AQs also ok? What do you suggest to 3bet in SB?

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If the raises is loose or in late postion, AQo isn't a bad hand to 3-bet either.

.xxxx.
09-22-2007, 02:17 AM
I like 3betting AQ more than JJ from SB, OOP JJ turns into a bluff once overcards hit

barabe
09-22-2007, 02:21 AM
I will tell you I have lost a lot of KK to AA preflop, but the only times you are wrong getting all in is, as mentioned is when opponent is tight and has low raising rate preflop. Usually getting all in with KK pf, is a tiny leak if a leak at all, so wouldn't worry about it. It will suck when you lose to AA, but you will lose much more if you think about it everytime.

ama0330
09-22-2007, 06:49 AM
You should fold. I think he has 76s, so he has more outs than you. He has 6 outs, and he can make a flush, but you only have 2 outs, and cannot make a flush unless you have 4 flush cards on the board.