Play this flop along with me- .25 KQo TPGK

[retleftolc]

BB is 34/15 over 32
MP is 43/11 over 118


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BB ($14)
Hero ($90.20)
MP ($19.45)
Button ($11)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $13</font>


Ranges? Does it matter stick it in?

More to follow.

Ret

[Edukashun]

This is a pretty bad spot, over the 30 hands you saw had he c/r'd a lot?

If not I think I'd fold

[johndenver]

fold, he almost surely is ahead of you at this point, very doubtful that he would check raise 2 people with nothing or a draw, especially on that board that isnt especially drawy

[Subzero_Wins]

How can there be any more to come?

If you call you're all in, if you fold then the hand is over.

I would probably just shove here, too good of chance he has garbage or a draw. KQ is the worse hand I'm going with here though FWIW (I'd fold QT).

[retleftolc]

Here's the more-


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BB ($14)
Hero ($90.20)
MP ($19.45)
Button ($11)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $13</font>, Hero calls $11, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $18.45</font>

Do I have to call? WHy or why not?

Ret

[Abdullaev]

The first raise call seems bad. Can't think of much that you beat, and on top of that there's still MP to act. But MP's has to be a mandatory call. Only $5.45 more into into a pot that has grown to whatever $3.10 + $13 + $13 + $18.45 is.

[NL Newbie]

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Here's the more-


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BB ($14)
Hero ($90.20)
MP ($19.45)
Button ($11)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $13</font>, Hero calls $11, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $18.45</font>

Do I have to call? WHy or why not?

Ret

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes.
Because you called before(mistake), the board didnt change and your odds are just amazing.

[Edukashun]

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Here's the more-


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BB ($14)
Hero ($90.20)
MP ($19.45)
Button ($11)
SB ($24.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $13</font>, Hero calls $11, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $18.45</font>

Do I have to call? WHy or why not?

Ret

[/ QUOTE ]

Once you're here you're getting like ~10:1 so you can be wrong more than 90% of the time and still be EV+ but IMO you should never have got there.

Unless of course BB was a spewing maniac and even then you've gotta love variance.

[orange]

Yeah you have to call.

Though BB's line is super super strong.

[retleftolc]

I called the first raise because I had seen him do this with 99 on a board similar to this, and with a draw earlier.

The second one I called for reasons that have been stated.

I spiked a K on the turn. BB had KK. MP had QJ. I ended up losing 16ptbbs. Even with the c/r of the BB, I thought I might still be ahead. Oh well.

Ret

[HighOctane]

I thought a PTBB was big blind X 2. Which means you lost close to 40PTBB. Im I reading this wrong?

[wslee00]

pretty easy fold to the c/r on the flop. are you sure villain did the same thing w/ 99 when there was another player in the hand?

If that's the case, then just shove b/c the rest of the money is going in anyway on the turn.

[UptownExpress]

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lose to a set.

[retleftolc]

I beat the MP by making 2 pair on the turn.

Looking back I know, and knew before I posted, I should have folded. Just wanted to hear opinions.

Ret