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Kimpan
09-18-2007, 05:46 PM
PartyPoker $100 NL Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> HandRecorder v0.9b (http://www.dmasn.com/handrecorder)

Stacks &amp; Stats
CO ($108.04)
BU ($151.46) (52/12/1.12/33) (185h)
SB ($28) (44/18/2.98/22) (114h)
UTG ($111.75)
MP ($100)
Hero ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#FF0000">BU raises to $3</font>, <font color="#FF0000">SB raises to $7.50</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises to $25.50</font>, BU calls $22.50, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>.

Flop: ($58.50) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets $39.50</font>
tubasteve
09-18-2007, 05:49 PM
this is gross. i think i would probably flatcall preflop
l3auble
09-18-2007, 05:49 PM
What do you beat on flop? Nothing that I can see...easy c/f and probably would fold pf
Kimpan
09-18-2007, 05:51 PM
he could have 88-TT, AQ maybe.. don't know. he is fishy.
RAHZero
09-18-2007, 05:52 PM
Gross. Flat call PF. Once button CCs your 4-bet, alarm bells should be going off. C/F the flop.
Kimpan
09-18-2007, 05:53 PM
ok, thanks
Demogorgon
09-18-2007, 05:55 PM
No way we're folding PF vs these two. BU v SB v BB with these numbers I think PF is good but calling is also fine. The flop is hard, C/F might be fine considering his aggr factor over 185h is only ~1. But he's so bad Im not sure if I want to fold here ever. It's high variance but don't fault yourself for getting it in here.
Anyway if he checks behind bet/call any turn I guess.
rberg
09-18-2007, 05:56 PM
i dont mind the way you played it. Maybe this line is better vs. good players because the know about opening ranges on the button and so on.

I expect you take this down on the flop most of the time.
loveinvain
09-18-2007, 06:03 PM
What's the fourth stat in the brackets - 33 for BU and 22 for SB?

I'm torn, flat calling pre is probably fine but your raise is probably fine too considering how fishy they are.

If the button was less fishy I would hear alarm bells after his flat call and C/F flop but seeing how fishy he is makes me think that getting my chips may be good but since betting the flop like you did makes you pot committed, perhaps CRAI is better.
Demogorgon
09-18-2007, 06:05 PM
Fourth is went to showdown.

Yeah actually only way I can see C/Fing as an option vs this player is if it the flop was A high. K high doesnt cut it, c/c or c/rai or c and bet the turn if he checks behind.
Barrin6
09-18-2007, 06:13 PM
Are you guys overlooking the fact that SB is a shortstack? I just 3 bet normally and pretend SB min-raise was never there.
Kimpan
09-18-2007, 06:59 PM
so it's ok?
Etats360
09-18-2007, 07:12 PM
Are you trying to bluff QQ?
Kimpan
09-19-2007, 04:45 AM
bump
docnuclear
09-19-2007, 04:49 AM
flop is fine, 4 bet or call is OK.
I think flop is a check since you are kinda turning your hand into a bluff unless it is for protection against AQ (if he calls with that) or for value against 99-TT or other mid PP, if he calls flop with that. Problem is that a large part of his range is AK, JJ+ so you might fold JJ and maybe QQ...
I prefer a check on flop
Kimpan
09-19-2007, 04:52 AM
c/f seems so weak here against this donk though?
docnuclear
09-19-2007, 04:55 AM
you can ch/call. I'm saying if you bet he calls and raises with better hands and folds worse. If you check, his hand range for betting now includes bluffs (AQ, AJs, 99-TT turning their hands into bluffs). If he never bluffs you can ch/fold or check the hand down. If he sometimes bluffs you can pick some of his bluffs.
c/f or c/c &gt; b/f or b/c